Interview

Indian Forest Service

Now that I have been selected for IFS and got AIR of 5, I feel that it will be good if I post my interview of IFS as well. It was 26th of March and the forenoon session. I was4th candidate in a group of five. It was my 1st interview at UPSC.When I reached inside Dholpur House and completed all formalities, I was informed that it was Air Marshal(Retd.) Satish Govind Inamdar’s board. I knew that something strange was going to happen to me, for Mr. Inamdar is known to give less marks in Civil Sevices Examination (We didn’t have his records for IFS though). I started looking here and there and enquired the gardener about the kind of flowers which were there( these can be asked in IFS interview, that which flowers did you see while sitting outside). Anyway, the peon, named Kameshwar from Darbhanga, came and told me to wait outside Mr. Inamdar’s room. I sat thereon and talked a bit to Kameshwarji. I asked him whether any lady member was also there. I saw the watch, it was 12:15 and I decided to say ‘Good Afternoon’ in stead of ‘Good Morning’.

Suddenly the bell rang and peon opened the door for me. It was a long way to Chairman’s table. I went with a smiling face and said ‘Good afternoon sirs’. Before I could complete, Mr. Inamdar started tlking in Hindi…good afternoon Sudhanshuji, आइए आइए चाए वाए लिये… हाँ सर ले लिए ….नाश्ता वाश्ता किए …..हाँ सर हो गया …..अच्छा, कहाँ किए…… कैन्टीन मे सर …..क्या मिला वहाँ ……गये थे सर लेकिन कुछ मिला नहीं …..अरे तो कुछ नहीं लिये सुबह से …..नहीं सर, चाय लिये हैं ….अच्छा बैठिये बैठिये कहाँ के रहने वाले हैं आप ……( till now, I have been standing and  didn’t sit until he told me to sit, a normal courtsey)..सर बिहार के….

Hereafter, the communication started in English.

CM: Sudhanshu, use the back rest of chair and dont lean forward during interview. Please take water.

S: Sir, I have taken water outside.

CM:Anyway, this water is for you. What is your background.

S: Sir, I am from Purnea in Bihar and have done my 10th from Zila School,Saharsa, Intermediate from B.N.College,Patna and graduation from IIT Kanpur.

CM:You are from IIT, why do you want to come to IFS.

S: Because of the nature of work, sir. It is a very challenging job and huge diversity is there….(interrupts)

CM: What is the challenge.

S:Sir, here I will be both the custodian as well as the manager of forests..wildlife management and solving the challenging problems like environment-development trade-off….(interrupts)

CM: What is this.

S:Sir, as the development process takes place it has its negative effect on environment. As an IFS I will have to  solve this problem to ensure development while keeping environment in good health.

CM:When did you decide to come to IFS.

S:In last year of my graduation, sir, when I decided to join govt. service.

CM:Why govt. service.

S: Because I want to contribute directly to the development of my nation.

CM:But in a pvt. service, you can contribute more.

S:Sir, contributing directly is also important.

CM:Yes, but which is more important, contributing more or contributing directly.

S: Sir, both are impt.

CM:Given a choice..

S: Sir, I will go for contributing more.

CM:Then…

S:………

CM:Okay, have a look at the photograph, tell me what is this..(points to a picture of fighter aircraft).

S:Sorry sir, I don’t know.

CM: Make a guess,what is this, a helicopter, space shuttle….what is this.

S:Sir, it seems to be a fighter aircraft.

CM:Yes, a reasonably good guess. It is a fighter aircraft. Now, tell me where is its propeller, or the engineer has forgotten to put it.

S:Sorry sir, I have no idea, where the propeller is.

CM:Make a guess, it is in front of the aircraft or in the back or is there any propeller at all.

S:I think it is at the front or may be at the back.Sorry sir, I am unable to figure out.

CM:Okay, don’t worry.

S:Sir, may I take water.

CM:Yes,yes..this is for you. Whenever you want to take it, feel free to take.

S: Thank you sir.( I take water and during the interview, I take water for six seven times.) 

CM:You have worked in Tata Motors.

S:Yes sir.

CM:What was it called earlier.

S:TELCO.Tata Engineering and Locomotive Company, sir.

CM:Why did they change the name.

S: Sir, in international market, one has to be very specific with their core competence. Tata Motors no longer produces Locomotives and hence TELCO name was redundant.

CM: What is a locomotive.

S:Railway engine is known as locomotive,sir.

CM:What is locomotion.

S:Sorry sir, I don’t know.

CM:How does locomotive work.

S:Sir, it uses coal and by that it works.

CM:So, we burn coal and train moves.

S: No sir, coal is burnt and then water is boiled. Vapour produced then runs the piston and thus engine moves forward.

CM:What is it called.

S:….

CM:Coal locomotive or vapour locomotive..what is it called.

S:….sir, we generally know it by the name,locomotive only.

CM:Haven’t you heard of steam locomotive.

S: Yes sir, but it didn’t come at the moment.

CM:you are a Mechanical Engineer, you should know these things.

S: Sir, I accept that I am expected to know these things, yet somehow, I don’t know.These things are not even taught.

CM: So, if something is not taught, you won’t learn that. These are general awareness. Is there any legal ban on knowing this.

S:Yes sir.

CM:Yes??

S:Sir, I mean, there is no ban, and I should know these.

CM: Please continue M1.

M1: Have you heard of JFM.

S:Yes sir, JFM is Joint Forest Management and it is an initiative of govt where govt and local communities jointly manage the forests and the benefits accruing are distributed..( I gave a typical bookish answer which was 100% correct, that I don’t remember now.)

CM:What is Global Warming..forestry..

[To be continued……….]

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2,009 thoughts on “Indian Forest Service”

  1. They may ask anything on earth. But in my interview, 3 out of 4 members asked specifically on forest issues, one asked on statistics and what chairman asked is written above.
    Best of luck for your interview.

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  2. First of all accept my commendation.Sir,i am a botany graduate.I wish to sit for 2009 IFS exam.
    Please suggest some good book to refer for both GK and english(Emphasized).Beside,when will govt declare the syllabus and from where could i get that.

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  3. Thanks.
    For GS, go through the question papers very meticulously and accordingly read the relevant portions from NCERT books for History, Geography etc. For Science and technology, refer to Spectrum. For current affairs you can rely on any competition magazine, preferably Pratiyogita Darpan.
    For English, no material as such is recommended. Concentrate on grammatical aspect of your answers. In that, there should be no errors.

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  4. Sir, through this small reply i am conveying my gratitude.It was realy so kind of you that from such a busy schedule you managed time to assist me further. Sir, can you tell me how to get previous years questions.

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  5. sir,You know that History, Geography, indian polity are like vast oceans.It become hard to me to cover the syllabus within the stipulated time, since i am from science background.Now can you tell me which parts of above mentioned subjects are importent and have greatest chance to be questioned from.I believe you can realise my problem and help me out.

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  6. You go through the question papers. As far as I remember, all these parts have fixed alloted marks. So, all are imporatant. 12th class NCERT is good enough. Try to arrange Vajiram’s class notes. You can rely on them fully .

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  7. Sir,IFS question paper includes History, Geography, indian polity everything.But what i want to know is subject specific importance.For instance, what are the areas or chapters of history,important or must to read for IFS.So through this, not only i will get a overall command,but i can save my time also by avoiding areas not important for IFS.Please help me in this regards.Sir, you can also email me.My email address is surajit.mukherjee86@gmail.com

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  8. Sir,
    it is fruitful participation from your goodselves to cater more ifs family to the aspirants like me.Thanks a lot.

    Sir,how many marks have you secured? Please, mention paper-wise.Just to know to invest my efforts strategically in the manner of smart preparation?

    your information is highly solicited.
    suresh,andhra pradesh

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  9. Sir,
    Taken to account your marks.Now, I got cofidence on my pace towards the said cherished goal.
    I will be in touch with you sir.That can enhance my strategy. Even I post in this manner my self-tested answers for your evaluation and of next suggestions for improvement.I therefore request that I may kinldy be evaluated by your expertise before UPSC evaluate me.I hope I can get your kind permission.

    thanking you sir.
    yours sincerly,
    suresh

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  10. It is the question of 2007: “Art.32 is the soul of the Indian Constitution” elucidate?
    (150 words)
    My Ans: Art.32 in Part-III of the Constitution of India confers the right to remedies for enforcement of the fundamental rights of an aggrieved citizen. The right to get the Fundamental Rights protected is itself a fundamental right.Whenever the infringement of fundamental rights of a citizen occurred due to the action of the State,such aggrieved citizen can move either to the Supreme Court of India under Art.226 or to the High Court under Art.32 to seek issue of writ like habeas corpus/ mandamus/prohibition/certiorari/quo-warranto, as the case may be, for the protection of the fundamental rights and to enforce the said deprived fundamental right.The State should be abided by the respective adjudication.Therefore,Art.32(Right to Constitutional Remedies) makes the fundamental rights real. That is why Dr.B.R.Ambedkar called Art.32 as the most important article of the constitution-” an Article without which this constitution would be a nullity. It is the very soul of the constitution and the very heart of it”.The Supreme Court has also ruled that Art.32 is a basic feature of the Constitution. Hence, it cannot be taken away even by way of an amendent to the constitution.

    sir, please award marks,list out defects,and further suggestions.

    suresh

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  11. Awarding marks is a little dicey thing.Though in whole, your answer is good but certain defects are there.
    1. Non-citizens can also move SC under article 32.
    2.Infringements of FR can be by non-state people also. For e.g.Habeas Corpus.

    Rest is all right.
    Marks 5/10.

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  12. Dear Sir, I am a mechanical engineer graduated in 2008 and currently working in a highly reputed Pvt. Ltd. Company but my passion still rests in forests & wildlife and I aspire for being an IFS officer. Sir, it’s a bit difficult to leave a decent paying job and prepare full time for UPSC exam kindly give some useful tips so that I can prepare along with fulfilling my duties with the company, also suggest the second optional paper for which I should go alongwith Mechanical Engg. I gave a thought to forestry because the other two possibilities of Mathematics & Statistics require a lot of time for practicing which is not possible for me right now.

    As a second choice I can go for any NGO’s working for the cause of wildlife protection ,Kindly guide me through.

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  13. @Salik

    though it is advisable that you prepare for IFS with single minded devotion, still you can manage it while doing your job. The best way is to study in the morning. Say from 4 to 9.That is how working people prepare.
    Second optional is generally Physics or Maths. I am not sure about Forestry. Go for Physics.
    For NGO thing, it is you who have to take a decision.

    @ Mohan
    Vajiram class notes are the material for GS. Plus any competition magazine like Pratiyogita Darpan. For English, no material is recommended as such. Just keep an eye over your grammar.

    @Jiten
    No idea friend. You just ask Evolution people.

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  14. sir,my name is T.krishna pradeep(btech ece)working in state bank of india.iam an ifs aspirant.in 2006 i gave one attempt without prep .i got 540 marks in written.my optionals are maths and physics.NOW IAM APPEARING FOR 2010 IFS.I HAVE MATERIAL FOR OPTIONALS.SIR, PLZ SUGGEST SOME PLAN HOW TO PREPARE GS.SIR , HOW MUCH MARKS ONE SHOULD GET TO B SELECTED FOR IFS INTERVIEW

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  15. respested sir,

    my name is jiten gareri and I am 25 yrs old . I am a graduate in fisheries science and at present I am working in BSNL.sir I wanted to know from you that how to prepare for G.S and from where can I get better study materials for it.and also please tell me how long should a good answer be of 20 marks and 40 marks.

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  16. sir, i have appeared twice in this exam.. ihave got 615/1400[not qualified]in 2007 and 658/1400 in ifos 2008 i want to know marks of any selected candidatein ifos2008 with botany and agriculture..
    sir.,,i need your quidance very desperately…
    i will be thankful to you if you provide this information

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  17. Sir,

    In General Knowledge paper the questions should be covered in 150 words,100 words,about 20 words. Is this direction is must in writing the answers ? What is the permissible extent in case of violation?

    In optionals compulsory questions(10 marks) are given the word limit of 150 words per question and there is no specification for essay question( 40 marks ). Can we adopt the word limit as about 600 words (150+150+150+150 for 10+10+10+10 marks pattern ).
    Kindly suggest the answering pattern please.

    suresh

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  18. Sir,

    In General Knowledge paper the questions should be covered in 150 words,100 words,about 20 words. Is this direction is must in writing the answers ? What is the permissible extent in case of violation?

    In optionals compulsory questions(10 marks) are given the word limit of 150 words per question and there is no specification for essay question( 40 marks ). Can we adopt the word limit as about 600 words (150+150+150+150 for 10+10+10+10 marks pattern ).
    Kindly suggest the answering pattern please.

    suresh
    A.P.

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  19. sir,
    i got 960 out of 1700 in IFS 2008 exam..but i was not recommended,in the final results.
    how can i know what was the cut off score of the student/students recommended,so that i can try doing much better for next year IFS exam

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  20. Sorry all. I was not online for quite a few days. I was busy with official works.

    @ Garima
    you don’t bother about cut-offs. Prepare for full marks. Deciding cut-offs is not in your hands so even though you know, you can’t do anything. In my year, cut-off was around 930. You see, at 972 I got 5th rank. So, don’t worry. You have got huge promise. You will get through IFS. Also try for Civil Services.

    @ Suresh

    It is strongly advisable to stick to word limits. But then you must have the ability to express yourself completely in that limit. So, make use of every word. Put all the info in that limit.

    For essay there is really no limit. Don’t put calculated numbers of word limit. Just be relevant and rational in essay. Anything near 1000 words is enough even in Civil Services. So, it will suffice here also.

    @ Aryansh

    I don’t have the marks of qualified candidates with me except myself. But if you get 730 or so, you can get a call. But your idea should be to get over 800 in written so that you can get selected finally. Best wishes.

    @ Suresh

    You are pleasantly permitted to make use of this blog in whichever manner it helps you.

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  21. respested sir,

    my name is jiten gareri and I am 25 yrs old . I am a graduate in fisheries science and at present I am working in BSNL.sir I wanted to know from you that how to prepare for G.S and from where can I get better study materials for it.and also please tell me how long should a good answer be of 20 marks and 40 marks.

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  22. Respected Sir,

    It is with immense respect that I write to you. I am an aspirant just like others here, but I do not have clue about where or how to start.

    GK and English are not a problem, But I am an Engineer in computer science, so i do not have any idea about optionals etc.

    My humble request is a personal audience with you, either in meeting, or over the phone or through mail.

    Please provide for your contact or mail me.
    My mail id is anup.bp@gmail.com and I am from Bangalore.

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  23. hello sir:

    congrtz for the success.

    I did mechanical engg in 2007 and at present I am working as aJr. Design engg in a reputed mnc, but since very long time I had an ambition to do Indian forest service. Now I am at an age of 23 my plan is to quit the job and get in to a dedicated preperation, and I’ve planned to take Mech engg and Aggriculture engg but I don’t know from where to start please help me and also mention the books or materials I need to follow.
    I feel I am lucky to get an advice from a person like you and I’ll be in contact with you please guide me sir.

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  24. hello sir,
    i am very thankful to you for your precious information about indian forest services I am a mechanical engineering student and now in 4rth year and I have started preparing for ifs exam but I just want to know which subject should i choose for optional physics or forestry please suggest me some website which can guide me.
    thank you

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  25. Hello sir,

    As I enquired with evolution people they will teach only agriculture, Mathematics, Botany, Zoology but I’m opting for mechanical engg and agriculture engg so what to do please suggest me and also for mechanical engg may I know how did u study, had you gone to any reputed coaching center or made preparation your own please guide me sir.

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  26. Dear Mr.Sekar,
    This is the only place in www having most information about IFoS (I mean the information that really matters). I wish you keep answering to the various questions of relevance.
    Thank you.
    (An aspirant)

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  27. Sir,
    I have done Engineering in Electronics.but im more interested in Forest services.but not sure that an Electronics engineer is eligible for forest exams.
    I have searched a lot but found confusing answers.

    your help will be appreciated.

    Thanks

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  28. dear sir,Thanks for your prompt reply !!
    I have seen the syllabus & electronics is not a subject.
    The only thing I wanted to know that an Electronics engineer who don’t have Biology & other subject in curriculum (Even in 12th also) is eligible for this exam or not.As it is not clearly mentioned on UPSC website also & I came to know that only Chem,Mech & Civil Engineers are eligible for IFS & I want to get it confirmed from official source. so could you please confirmed it once again for me?

    Thanks for your help !

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  29. Respected Sir
    I am interested in forest service because i have general perception for this service that it is related to forest, environment, wild life etc. But i want to know what are the exact responsibilities of these officer, where they get placed. I want to know these thing in general and it will also help in our preparation as we will get more clear that we are preparing about what.
    It will be very beneficial if you write post regarding this or give any link on which we get all this information. But it will be always better to hear about you as it is experience of a working officer.
    Thanks and regards
    Sudhanshu

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  30. sir,
    it is good to knw tht some one is there who help the aspirant for civil services
    i want to know one thing………..
    i m student if nit rourkela and interested in civil service
    but i m fully confused abt tht
    1st i would do the job or continue my preperation………….
    sir one thing more i need some tricks how to prepare for math as i want to opt math for pre
    and math + electrical engineering for mains

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  31. hey congrats sir….
    well sir mah name is aparna n m also going for ifs…i just wanna know about d buks u prefered for d G.K. …n if u r going to suggest me ncert buks den sir g latest edition of ncert buks are quite easy nd has less matter den in dis case wht shud i do…n one more thing dere r sum units in science buks which r never asked inG.S. so shud i go for it …or not…plz help

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  32. i have appeared for IFoS-2009.but general study was extremely bad.
    this year i m referring following materials.can u suggest some more or any change
    1.history-pratiyogita darpan
    2.geography-savinder singh
    3.polity-spectrum and ncert book
    4.current affairs-civil service chronicle
    5.news paper-the hindu
    is there any advantages of choosing pratiyogita darpan over civil service chronicle.
    please reply.i need your help

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  33. @ Rashmi

    Pata nahi mujhe..but why are you worried for cut-offs..are you going to stop writing the answers once you think you have crossed cut-off..or you will start enjoying after writing the exam without even the result..
    Just don’t worry about cut-off..aim at the highest and keep on working hard.

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  34. Dear Shekhar, Well what pleased me most to read your blog is the spirit with which u r taking the task of extending the guidance to all those who are desperately seeking for someone who can give them the right direction.I wish online discussion forums could get incorporated better in our youth. I am pleased that u can spare time out of busy schedule to reply. You may be liking doing it but it should not be forgotten that its also effort taking. Just keep the spirit going!!!!

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  35. I have got so motivated by the blog that i feel i will write for IFS 2011. I am Aug 1982 so think can write for 2012 also. M i right?

    I am a pursuing my PhD from University of Delhi and am working on the biological response of climate change on Endemic species of Eastern Himalaya. I m extensive field ecologist and love working in fields. I have worked on the remotest tropical and alpine systems of Arunachal and Sikkim.I am writing 2 scientific paper for international journals which i hope to be published soon.

    I am a UGC- JRF

    I am thinking of picking up Botany and Agriculture and start reading from today itself. As suggested for GK i have bought NCERT books and reading the Hindu. Am I moving in right direction. What should be my strategy of preparation.What would u like to suggest me regarding anything and everything.

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  36. hello sir,
    Its really so happy to found this link. Its really helping me. I am vardhini,M.sc biochemistry. Till now internet is only my guidance to get the old questions papers, information abt ifs, and study material. People around me didnt know about the exam also. Till now i m preparing basing on the information from net only. I surfed all the sites and gathered information abt the optionals and exams. I applied for ifs2010. Is this way of preparation is correct? and also my family don’t let me to go or cannot afford to take coaching in delhi. In Andhra pradesh, there is no coaching for ifs. But at any cost i have to be an ifs officer.But i get worrying about the exam and my preparation without any teacher, guidence. Right from my graduation i am working on this. I am preparing according to the old question papers and syllabus. My optionals are botany and zoology and for gk i am not knowing wat to do because i dont know my preparation is in which level? Can you help? i didnt receive my hall ticket and the exam is on july 10,2010. My id vardhinikasi@gmail.com. Please mail me or respond to my query.expecting ur reply.

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  37. sir belated wishes to you..am presently working in central pollution control board..am a aspirant of indian forest service…so to start with had appeared for this exam and hadnt prepared a word and jus attended and got a marks of 300 odd…but now i need strategic planning…as how to prepare..what to do…how to work and how to study..what plans to clear…waiting for u..

    regards
    sharath

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  38. hello sir,,, i am biotech engg,i did my b-tech from NIT RAIPUR, i found this link today.. i read all coments and your reply.. i hav lots of doubts before read al this,i am very happy as i found this link.i m prepeng for IFS but i hav no guidnce and techers,, sir i want to know abt the books for agriculture ..plz help me..

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  39. hey manish you can get book lists from examrace.com as well as u can also download last 10 year paper for ur ifs subject from this site and you can purchase these boks from ber sarai delhi.i hope u will get out of ur trouble

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  40. Hi Sudhansu,
    I have done my Btech in IT.I was always passionate and enthusiast abt nature and wild life.I wanted to sit for IFS.But dont get time except weekends as I am working in a software MNC in gurgaon.Also there are no computer related subject in IFS.Chemistry used to be my favourite subject.There is a huge dillema abt the selection of 2nd subject.
    Could you suggest 2nd optional for me which i can prepare in little possible time.

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  41. Dear Sudhanshu sir

    I am an undergraduate at IIT Delhi, and I feel very motivated to join IFS. But I lack sufficient information about the service, which after a lot of searching on the web, I haven’t been able to retrieve.

    Can you suggest me some resources which can give me a comprehensive info relating this service??

    Sincere regards

    Abhishek

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  42. Dear Sir,

    First of all thanks to you for taking such an initiative for the aspirants of IFos. I am also appearing fro this exam in this year . I just wanted to know as very short duration is left , how much time should one give to prepare on all the subjects. my optionals are physics & chemistry. Please guide me as to which are the major imp. topics for physics n chem both.
    Even if i look at the previous question papers every yr the pattern is different. so how to prepare.
    Please guide me on the above
    Thanks
    Regards
    Richa

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  43. Last years’ questions papers are the best guide. You can figure out pattern. Moreover, they are from the standard books. So, it’s not difficult.

    Ideally, you should devote equal time for all the three subjects. But, depending on your knowledge or the lack of it, you can adjust that.

    Do only one thing, study. And you will get through!!!

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  44. Dear Sir,

    I have done B.Tech in Electrical in 2008 & currently working in a Wind Power Company. Forests, Wild Life,Ecology,Environment,Man-animal conflict etc have always attracted my conscience. More than this I want to live and serve close to the nature & thats why I have written this mail to you. I have 3 Questions for you if you dont mind:
    1) Is the Reason mentioned above is justified enough to prepare for IFS?
    2) Can Electrical Engineers write IFS?
    3) Are their other platforms to Serve and manage our natural resources?

    Your response will help me a lot!
    Ashish Ranjan

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  45. @Ashish
    Here are the answers to your questions:-
    1. Yes, the reason is justified. We should have job satisfaction. There is no point in doing engineering, if you are attracted to nature. As in my case, I was attracted to civil services and not with engg. So, I decided to leave the job and star preparing.
    2.Yes, Elec. Engg. write IFS. For details, log on to upsc.gov.in.
    3.There are other platforms too, like NGOs etc. But, the authority you exercise in IFS is simply awesome. Go for it, Best wishes.

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  46. sir,
    I am a veterinary graduate from meghalaya ,sir i want to sit for IFS exam but i have no idea how to start,please give me information about the study package both for optional and gs and how to gain acess to that.Thank you

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  47. sorry…but mujhe lagta hai ye sab banavti hai…aap se aur khuch pucha hoga….andupal me aap nikal gay…..i am right sir,,,,,

    i am mechanical engineering student….and i want to face upsc exam…(IFS)

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  48. hello sir,
    I am very much interested in IFS.But i am doing a job to support my family.I cant leave my job.I have Done my Btech in Computer science.
    1.Am I eligible for IFS???
    2.How many seats are generally there for 3.IFS???
    4.Do I have to take botany or Zoology as one of my subject???
    5.Is GS of IAS and GK of IFS same????

    Please guide sir…

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  49. @Himanshu
    Yes, you are eligible but you will have to choose science optionals.
    @Deepak
    1. Yes, you are eligible.
    2. Generally in the range of 50-60. In my time, it was 35.
    3. No, you can take any of the science optionals.
    4.No, the GK of IFS is much simpler.
    @Mahendra
    You are free to believe whatever you wish to!

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  50. Dear Sir

    I am an IIT Delhi graduate and an IAS aspirant, but I find IFoS equally attractive as a career. The problem is that my IAS optionals are Physics and Geography, the latter not being an IFoS subject. If I consider devoting time for IFoS as well, I’ll have to choose Mathematics additionally.

    How much extra efforts are needed according to you? If I somehow manage to finish the Mathematics syllabus, do you think rest of the IFoS papers won’t need any extra preparation (considering that they have already been covered in the IAS preparation)?

    Sincere regards and thanks!

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  51. sir, i am in 2nd year b.tech in bhopal.In bhopal there are no such good coachings that will provide proper guidance.so i am preparing on my own.i am preparing gs and chemistry from last four months but nobody is with me to say that,the answer you have written is right or what it is lacking.so i want to have general view of yours.I am writing a question and it’s answer.plz give remarks on it so that i can make my mistakes correct.

    Q what is relative humidity?(100 words)
    ans Relative humidity is the amount of water vapour present in the mixture of air and water vapour.It is a general notion to describe humidity in terms of water vapour holding capacity of air,but air actually transport not holds the water vapour and it can be present in an airless volume also.Relative humidity is measured by using psychometers.It is strongly associated with day to day life.we feel warmer when relative humidity is high because the rate at which perspiration evaporates becomes low.It also leads to misting of windshields,drying of clothes and shortening of electric components.

    plz rply soon.

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  52. @Abhishek
    IAS requires single minded devotion. Taking an extra optional as Maths only for IFS may not be too desirable. As I understand, Maths in no more an attractive optional for IAS. Well, you are asking a difficult question. You analyze for yourself, whether it will be possible for you to prepare an extra optional. It all depends on your calibre and strength!! As for other subjects of IFS, they are too simple as compared to IAS.

    @Himanshu
    Your answer seems to be okay. What is lacking is the mathematical formulation of relative humidity and explanation thereof. You can refer the book on thermodynamics by YVC Rao of IIT Kanpur.

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  53. Dear Sir,

    Thanks for the response, I got your point and I really appreciate that you are responding to people like us in-spite of your professional commitments.

    I just realized that you have also cleared the Civil Services exam. My first optional is Geography. I am confused between Physics, History and Anthropology for the second optional. I am much more familiar with Physics due to my Engg background. Still I think I can study the other two because of my general interest (in both) and good previous knowledge (in History).

    What should be my criteria for choosing one of them. Should I consider the ‘popularity’ of the subject as well?? I’ll be giving the exam in 2012.

    Thanks and regards

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  54. @Abhishek
    Two criteria are there for choosing an optional. One, your general interest and other how the marks are being awarded in that subject presently. While the former is of utmost importance, the latter may vary from year to year. Take subjects with smaller syllabi as these days, entire syllabi is covered in the exams. So, check on these grounds!! Best wishes.

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  55. Sir,
    I appeared in this year’s Indian Forest services examination with the optionals statistics and geology and am expecting a total of something between 740 to 760.Can I expect a call for the interview?Generally,what is the cut-off marks for a general candidate?total seats to be filled is aproximately 84.Please reply,Sir.Will wait for your reply.

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  56. Thank you very much,Sir.I have been following your blog for quite some time now.Whatever books you recommended for G.S.,I prepared accordingly.In statistics-1,I am expecting 110-115 while in statistics-2 I am expecting 100-110.
    In geology-1,I am expecting 115-120,while the second paper didn’t go as desired.I will get a maximum of 50-60.
    Your blog has been of exceptional help to me.I have just given my masters exams in statistics from Delhi University.And this was my first attempt at I.Fo.S.without any coaching.Thank you again,Sir.

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  57. sir,thankyou for giving remarks on relative humidity.but sometimes i get confused how to write because there are variety of questions that can be asked in gk.for example if i have to write a comment on some act then what should be included so that my answer looks effective.secondly,i dont know whether a diagram can be drawn or not when it is not asked but required in the answer.also,i want to know that when i am writing a mathematical expression like in relative humidity then whether i m permitted to write it in next line or i have to mention it in continuation with answer.sir plz help me.

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  58. @Himanshu
    Mention all the relevant points in the answer in a brief fashion. Idea is to tell the examiner that you know all the points. Don’t harp on specific points. Mention all points briefly and you will get full marks.
    Diagrams are recommended whenever possible.
    You can write mathematical formulation in next line.

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  59. Good afternoon,Sir!
    Apart from K.P.Sagreiya’s forests and forestry,what else should I refer additionally?I am a post-graduate in Statistics,So while testing me,what else can I be asked?Can I be asked how to correlate what all I have learnt in my subject-Statistics with forest.Please Sir,your advice/suggestion is highly welcome and solicited.

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  60. sir, for a question like methods of soil conservation.there are many points that can be described in it like mulching,intercropping,rock dam,shelter belts,terrace farming,contour ploughing etc.so which type of representation would be better for it,in paragraph or in points.if i m writing in points it may take more than one page to complete whereas in paragraph it may take nearabout one page.i know i am asking a silly question but sometimes i know the matter but get confused how to represent it to the examiner.can any answer be written in points??plz help.

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  61. sir,i want to sit for both ias and ifs.my first optional is chemistry.as there are only science subjects in the list of ifs so i have no option other than to take agriculture as my second optional.i can take mathematics also,but it will be dificult in case of ias.agriculture is looking intersting and the previous year papers appears to be simple.but it has some biological part also which is totally new for me.but since i have got 2 years for preparation so i think i can do it.is i m going in right direction??plz help..

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  62. Good afternoon,Sir!
    Apart from K.P.Sagreiya’s forests and forestry,what else should I refer additionally?I am a post-graduate in Statistics,So while testing me,what else can I be asked?Can I be asked how to correlate what all I have learnt in my subject-Statistics with forest.Please Sir,your advice/suggestion is highly welcome and solicited.

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  63. Dear Sudhanshu Sir

    I am very keen on opting for Anthropology as an optional for IAS exam, but I haven’t been able to find a reliable source of guidance for the same. Also, there do not seem to be any good coaching centers in Delhi for the subject.

    Could you direct me to some person who can guide me in this subject? I am sure some of your batch-mates must have had taken this as an optional.

    Thanks for your help!

    Sincere regards

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  64. sir,

    This is pintu,from supaul in bihar,did B.sc in hotel mgmt. in 2009 and nw i m working in dubai as a chef.i want to prepare for upsc exams bt i m nt able to figure out the optional subjet bca during my graduation all the core subject was different so please help me and give me some suggestion.nw i m 24 years old.

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  65. Hi Sudhanshu,
    It is a pleasure to read your blog. The manner in which you involve Bhagwan with a Tax-man’s duties is quite cool – not in the sense teenagers use the term but rather like “thandak” to the heart and mind. However the thought that being an engineer albeit of any branch, you were not able to handle the “propeller” question in your interview rankles me. Could you explain? I wont mind if you choose to ignore this issue. All the best to you in your career and i sincerely hope we never come across each other officially. After all no one likes a call from a Tax officer!!
    Best regards
    Hemant

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  66. Hi Hemant,
    thanks for your nice words. Bhagwan is everywhere. I try to involve Bhagvan in not only my duties as tax officer, but in all of my duties. You see, the performance of our duties with detached mindset is the tool for upliftment.The same becomes quite easy if you involve Bhagvan in the performance of your duties.That’s why this approach.
    Well, my inability to handle the ‘propellor’ question must have rankled the interviewers too. But well, it’s a fact that i didn’tknow that jet aircrafts don’t have propellers.
    Well, you may become happy if you get a call from tax officer regarding the issuance of your pending refund. Or if you have been getting grounded in income-tax proceedings, and come across an officer who is pleasant, polite, helping and fast. I sincerely believe,that you will feel happy while getting a call from ‘such’ tax officer.

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  68. Dear King Alijah,

    Sorry for late reply. My advice to you is to concentrate on all subjects equally. Give a little extra effort for understanding the science subjects. Don’t think too much about your career now. God bless you.

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  69. thanx sir,
    for such a guidance.
    sir,i am a p.g in genetics with botany and zoology in my graduation..
    i want to appear for the exam…with botany and zoologu as my subjects as i command them…would it be aright choice for me..if not can u suggest sum of them..
    thanx in advance!

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  70. I am engineering student in third year and I am surely going to give ifs. i will become eligible for first attempt in 2013. my college will over in may 2012. what kind of preparation should i do along with college study.

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  71. sir, i am doing MBBS in andhra pradesh… i am interested in IFS… its very awesome.. i am attracted to science, nature wildlife since my childhood and these all stands to be my interests… ami eligible for ifs

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  72. hello sir,i am a science grad and want to write ifos 2011 with physics and chemistry,could jst give some valuable suggestions regarding these optionals.As gs is not a big issue for me as i have studied @vajiram.But as i am nt writing my ias next year ,in d meanwhile i want to prepare for ifs.Thanks

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  73. Sorry folks,
    I am extremely busy these days in my time-barring assessments. I will reply to all the queries whenever I get time.
    @ Bunty, please ask specific question. How can I answer general questions.
    @ Santosh, you are eligible. Only if you choose Science optional.
    @Rushi, cover ur optionals first. After graduation, go for GS.
    @Arpita, that’s afair choice, provided u r having competence in them.
    @ Surender, there is no special method. It varies from person to person. You device ur own method. Nothing particular about it.

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  74. thanks for reply sir.
    i’m in computer engineering. should i take placement for some job experience or there is no need of job if IFS is the only goal. I asked because job will not allow good(single minded) preparation.

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  75. hi sir , first of all congratulation .. sir actually i am also preparing for ifs with optional subjects botany and zoolgoy , kindly help me , because i already gone through lots of ups and downs in my life in terms of career , now i need to crack forest service exam ( state forest service or ifs) at any cost, but plz help me by telling me how much hours study it needs .

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  76. Dear Sir,
    First of all many congratulations being such a good officer, even after selection. India, Indeed need more officers like you. I am a research scholar, pursuing my PhD at a research center. But i am working force-fully over here, in this PAPER-PUBLISHING so called scientific work. I am least interested in working for paper publishing , m thinking of quitting this research field for many months but many things deters me from that. I like nature very much and i want to IFoS. I am good in zoology with confidence in GK as well as in English too. plz guide me what should i do,i am finishing 3rd year of my research. I am sure i’l not go for research even if i have PhD, i have only one fear whether this kind of discontinuity will affect one’s image in Interview session, like in IFoS interview ??? Please guide me Sir, Thank you.

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  77. walking test of 25kms in 4 hrs…will be tough i guess…as there is a time limit of 4hrs..u need to be at around 6.3km/hr…you need to walk briskly to complete….
    brisk walking continuously for 4hrs is tough i feel,requires stamina..
    and there will be a elaborate medical test(height,weight,chest,eye,bp,xray,etc…)with min standards…
    for complete details refer appendix 3 @ http://envfor.nic.in/legis/ifs/exam.html

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  78. Hello Sir
    My name is Niharika. I have 2 queries.
    1 I have written IFS exam in 2009 but dint check the results. Is it possible to get it now.
    2 Where and when can me and other aspirants like me get the rest of your interview.
    My apologies if asked for too much.

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  79. @Adarsh Kumar:
    You are Amit from Allahabad.Am I right?You had appeared last time in 2007 and you got a total of 795 in written and 135 in interview.Why are you using a fake name?I know you very well.What’s the reason to hide?Congratulations for this time too.You are currently in HCS.

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  80. Hello Sir,

    I am a software engineer (BE, NIT Bhopal) working with TCS. I have filled the form of CSAT and IFS, however I am going to leave CSAT because of lack of preparation. I will appear in the IFS. My optionals are Geology and Forestry. Be going through some of your comments above, I am perplexed whether my optionals are allowed with my graduation which is engineering.

    Kindly spare a little bit of your precious time to ease me.

    Thanks and Regards
    Gautam

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  81. sir,i am amesh chaudhary from ara,bihar.i am now pursuing b.sc
    (ag) from b.h.u.please suggest me subject combination alongwith agriculture which is easy and yields maximum result in ifos.opting botany is more fruitful or forestry?in our university foresty is not taught as a subject then whqt to do in this condition. please guide me.

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  82. Sir …..I am a IIT R graduate preparing for IFS ..my subjects r physics and chemistry … plz let me know about any good coaching institute for these subjects….also sir are vaji ram notes enough for gs preparation?. thanks

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  83. Hello Sir..

    IFS is my dream job…but the problem is, currently I am working as Pharma Consultant…
    I have made my mind to quit my present Job….so 6-8 months will be left for preparation…so will this time be sufficient sir???

    Tell me is there any preference for Forestry and Agriculture candidates???

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  84. hello sir , i had a question. how much beneficial will be the jan lockpal bill to stop massive corruption of forest department and will it affect current tiger situation. need your view as you are forest officer and i’m IFS aspirant.

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  85. hello sudhanshu sir , its really nice to read ur interview , m also applying for IFS 2012 , just want to ask whether there r any good coaching classes for that and which study material i should refer ? plz guid thank you

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  86. sir firstly, thanks a toon for helping students to find their goals and solve their problems… I am also one of them I want to ask you sir I am MSC microbiology.

    1 SO during writing the Ans in IFS botany zoology,,how much depth we touched the topics in our ans??????in how much of detailed

    2. I am not a guy of good weight and height,,so It will effect on the final selection ???

    3. there is any type of SC, ST reservation in IFS if yes then how many seats approx comes under general quota???

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  87. Hello sir, I m a graduate with environmental sciences and desperately preparing for IFS. I would be appearing for 2012 examinations. I have choosen chemistry and forestry as my subjects.Are their some specific tips for answering in examinations, if so plz let me know.I shall be highly obliged.

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  88. hello sir ,
    i m student of MSc botany. Can i rely on UNIQUE guide for g.s.? what was your strategy and preparation plan ? kindly tell about your schedule during preparation
    and more thing …..blogs of some other qualified candidates who had taken BOTANY and ZOOLOGY as optional.

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  91. Well friends, I am sorry that I am unable to rply to your queries in a prompt fashion. I have a twitter id sudhanshush. You contact me there. I promise that the replies will be promptest as twitter is there on my mobile. I am planning to write another article in interview category. So, keep visiting the blog.

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    Can you tell me what exactly are the roles and responsibilities of an IFS officer? how much travelling is required? and does Evolution provide correspondence course? do you happen to have any contact number of Evolution?

    Best Regards,
    Anjali

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  95. Respected Sudhanshu Sir
    i have completed my graduation from hbti kanpur in biochemical engineering(chemical technology) 2011.sir am i eligible for ifs?sir can you tell me the names of coaching institutions for ifs in u.p?and plz give me some tips and books for preparation of ifs.

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  96. Respected Sudhanshu Sir
    i have completed my graduation from hbti kanpur in biochemical engineering(chemical technology) 2011.sir am i eligible for ifs?sir can you tell me the names of coaching institutions for ifs in u.p?and plz give me some tips and books for preparation of ifs?

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  97. amazing post and i must admit it has been such nice to hear from you all and especially Sudeshnu sir. Sir i was looking for good quality book(study materials) in forestry and chemistry. Actually while preparing for gate i did studied chemistry but still here the pattern is bit different. waiting for your reply sir.this blog has been a real help thank you all.

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  98. Ya sir i also wanted to know about the nature of your job. Do you work directly with the projects of Moef or you have to get regulated by the SPCBs. hows the training period. If we want to take independent decision can we take or their is pressure from upper level?? looking forward to your comment sir

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  99. SIR ,
    I WRITTEN IFS 2010 ,I GOT 410 TOTAL MARKS ,
    NOT QULIFIED . WHAT WAS CUTT OFF .

    IN THE SECOND TIMES I APPEARED ,2011, I EXPECT AROUND
    580-600 MARKS CAN I EXPECT A CALL FOR PERSONALITY TEST ,AS
    SC CADIDATES ,
    PLEASE GIVE ME PROPER DIRECTION.

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  101. hello sir,
    i am deepika ratan from Hyderabad.i am planning to write IFS Exam in 2012.My optionals are forestry and geology.After long consultations i am unable to figure out proper study material for these optionals.can you please suggest any other resources from where i can seek help .Moreover,if you are aware of any coaching institute which provide IFS coaching then kindly let me know that too.thank you.

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  102. I am an OBC candidate for IFS2012.Once I was an candidate of ES2011 but unable to list my name in final result.It was my second and last attempt for the same.Though I had tried for IFS2011 but not able to seat for this exam due to improper preparation for IFS2011.This will be my firstand last attempt for IFS2012 as per age limit.Please inform me how to prepare for IFS2012. My selected subjects are MECH ENGG & FORESTRY.Please inform me about good FORESTRY books for preparation..waiting for reply.

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  103. hey shashank,i am an employee of ongc. but i am interested in IFS please let me know..what,,power..we get being an IFS officer…is it better than ongc?…one more thing i want to ask where we get our posting? do we get in city or in jungle type villages.?.
    thanks..

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  104. @ruchi
    your whole syllabus will be covered in those 8 to 9 books and one more fook called indian forestry contain synopsis of whole syllabus.
    original books are not available so far in one place as well as they are soooo expensive

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  105. Congrats shudhanshu sir,
    Hello to all the participants of the thread..

    I am sandeep resident of haridwar also appearing for IFS dis year. My optional are mechanical engg & forestry. Being working its impossible for me to devote enough time to study due to working hours.

    So, honestly speaking I am moving to Delhi to take coaching for the above mentioned subject

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  106. @rushi,sandeep,shashank: i would suggest to read and go through the subject bfr joing any classroom coaching..@sandeep i vl let u knw once i come to know abt it sure..if correspondance good material (forestry,botany) s availble nywhere do let me know

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  107. Thanks tentu……
    I would like to suggest u all ( tentu, ruchi, shashank n all) to make a group who r willing to take IFS as a career n want to take forestry as a optional. It will be a great help for all of us.

    War say ???

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  108. Thanks tentu……
    I would like to suggest u all ( tentu, ruchi, shashank n all) to make a group who r willing to take IFS as a career n want to take forestry as a optional. It will be great help for all of us.
    Wat say guys???

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  109. Hello to all who cracked the IFoS 2011,
    Heartily Congartulations….!!!

    I know you all must be busy with celebrations and further proceedings with joining….and you deserve so…

    It would be great help if you could find time to post your exp and thoughts…with us…its a great initiative taken by sudhanshu sir for bring all aspiratnts together…would request you to kindly share your wonderful expr with all aspirants like me…we are egarly waiting to be part of the chain…

    waiting for all acheivers to respond..

    warm regards,
    archana

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  110. Hello All…IFoS aspirants…notification forIFos 2012 is available,last date to fill the form online is 14th May 12′ kindly proceed..!!

    All the best to all of you…!!

    A humble request to all those who cracked IFoS 2011, kindly share your valuable feedback with us, it would be of great help for aspirants like me.

    Warm regards,
    Archana

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  111. Dear Sir,
    I am working in central gov. service but not satisfied with my job so preparing for IFS exam since few months. Now I am confused with the second optional subject, can you suggest me what would be the best combination with physics, as it was my post graduation subject also.
    Thank you
    Ramesh Shukla

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  112. I am an IFoS aspirant. Agriculture and Botany are my optional subjects. I have completed M.Sc. in Agriculture. Would love to share and guide those who have opted for same optionals as mine. Group study is always better.

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  113. kind attention.

    Notification says

    ”Government strives to have a workforce which reflects gender balance and women candidates are encouraged to apply”(page 15 bottom line).

    ”Answer scripts of only those candidates who have obtained the
    minimum marks as decided by commission for paper II (General
    Knowledge) will be evaluated.” (page 17)

    AGRICULTURE AND FORESTRY COMBINATION HAS BEEN PUT TO DEATH (page 17)

    concentrate more on GK.

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  114. do not rely entirely on coaching classes. Expand the horizon of ur study while keeping pace with the classes. Make use of the class notes. Read more.
    Major competition of agriculture-forestry students is out of the stage!!
    Study. Study. Study.

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    1. Hi sudeshnu sir, I want a suggestion from u.. I want to appear next year and want to tke forestry and botany as optional..Now i dnt want next yr this optionals 2 be declared out by upsc… so i dnt knw wht shld i do..is botany and foresry are safe optionals??? please answer sir i am looking fr ur reply

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  115. Hello Sir,
    I read all the above threads.Those were all informative and inspiring.
    THANK YOU EVERY BODY.
    I am Faizan from Kashmir.I am about to complete my bachelors in forestry by June 2012.I was preparing Agriculture with Forestry but unfortunately, this combination is not allowed from now onwards.So, I have decided to take up Botany as other optional.I want to go for coaching.Sir, your guidelines please.Where should I join??????Moreover does the mode of preparation for civil services and IFS vary,,,,,,,,,,,,thanks

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  116. Dear Sir,
    I am working in central gov. service but not satisfied with my job so preparing for IFS exam since few months. Now I am confused with the second optional subject, can you suggest me what would be the best combination with physics, as it was my post graduation subject also.
    Thank you

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  117. @faizan
    Botany books:
    1. Text book of botany…by A C Dutta
    2. Plant taxonomy …by O P Sharma
    3. Plant pathology …by P D Sharma and G N Agrios
    4. Microbiology…by Tauro and Kapoor; soil microbiology ..by subbarao.
    5. Plant physiology…by pande and sinha + jain publication
    6. Embryology…by bhojwani and bhatnagar
    7. Plant genetics..by B.D.Singh and Phundan singh
    8. Plant breeding…by B.D.Singh and Phundan singh
    9. Plant biochemistry…by lehninger
    10. Ecology and environment…by P.D.Sharma
    11. Economic botany…by S.L.Kocchar.

    Go through the syllabus…read selected chapters.
    Plant pathology by G N Agrios and plant biochemistry by Lehninger are available as soft copies on http://www.4shared.com

    All the best.

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  118. It seems that 23rd ranker is a general category fellow. I am not sure. But if you get 700+ score in written, you will probably get call for d interview.

    The strategy should be to get around 150 (130-150) in english, 120+(minimum) in gk and 400+ in optionals for securing urself in d list. Answer writting skills, presentation, crux of the matter counts!!

    It will be a great help for all of us if we discuss current issues @ankita. Coz 10 markers in gk paper are tricky. Those 10 markers can shoot up ur score! Eg. People in news, places in news, sports terms, books and authors etc etc.

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  119. i hv sent a req at ur id. Kindly accept. let us discuss our constitution part-wise…i.e part I, II, III, IV, IV A in our first discussion (Articles 1-51A ). Then we can switch over to the remaining. This would make our preparation specific and perfect. The issue wid these articles is that we cannot simply by-heart them. Clarity is must.

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  120. Thanks a lot Chandu.As it’s quite clear from the comments of chandu and ankita that both of you have botany as one of the optionals.I am going to write ifs 2013.So far i have not started boatny yet due to agri-forestry aombination.
    Dear chandu, I have noted down the book list.Moreover I would like to know about the botany coaching at Evolution.Is that a right place for botany and general studies.
    THANKS

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  121. u welcome.
    Well…i’m not sure abt botany coaching classes. But coaching for gk does help a lot. Self study matters at the end.
    Botany books in delhi should not be a problem. But still, u can get them at IARI (INDIAN AGRICULTURAL RESEARCH INSTITUTE) pusa campus, near shishir hostel.

    All the best.

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  122. well…i wrote ifs-2011 totally unprepared, amidst colloquium and thesis submission of masters programme,…a kind of one-night-show…here are my marks:
    GK….88
    ENGLISH….136
    AGRI 1….67
    AGRI 2….68
    BOTANY 1….83
    BOTANY 2….69

    Surprisingly, I did ”exceptionally” good in botany… and performed poor in my own stream of post graduation..i.e. Agriculture….but wid dedicated efforts, we can score even better.

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  123. respctd sir,

    aftr spendng ample tym on surfng….i came across dis awesum link..
    its truely helpful 4 d ifs aspirants
    i’m an agriculture graduate
    last yr i gave dis exm as my 1st attempt wth agri and forestry as optionals
    bt 4m dis yr we cnt take d two
    nw i’ve decided to take agri and botany
    just wantd 2 knw……
    1) hw often does upsc changes d pattern?
    i hav a fear dat aftr takng d subjcts as optionals, studyng 4 it, and if at d last moment upsc declares it invalid……..wat would i do……!!!!!
    2) will it change it d nxt yr too?
    3) hw cn v knw d subjct wise cutoff marks?
    4) is 1 yr sufficient for preparatn of dis exm?
    5) i’m a pg agri student…..cn i manage both studyng for pg and ifs preparatn?
    plzz do reply sir………

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  124. J.C.Kala committee came up with a revised pattern for improving IFoS recruitment over next 20 years. IIFM graduates were declared eligible for IFoS. If the committee’s decision is to be considered sacrosanct, do not expect any major changes for the next 20 years!!!

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  125. Thanks Neha for nice words. Here is answer to your questions:-
    1. The changes in the pattern are rare, to say the least. And they are quite far apart, temporally. Don’t fear. It was unfortunate, but then it has already happened.
    2. I don’t think it wil change.
    3. There is no need to know subject wise cut off. Try to score maximum possible in each subject. Don’t neglect any. Anyways, UPSC doesn’t declare subject wise cutoff.
    4.Yes, it is sufficient provided there is single minded devotion.
    5.Don’t give much importance to pg. Concentrate on IFS.

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  126. thnx a lot sir 4 ur precious sharng….. 🙂
    i hav few more queries
    1. i’m an agri graduate, so i’m kepng agri and botany bt as d exm is indian FOREST service……..do i hav 2 study a bit of forestry too (in interview pt of view)
    2. for d preparatns, i’m relyng entirely on notes of coachngs….. do i need 2 make my own notes as well?
    3. as mentiond by u, shld i go 4 vajiram and ravi’s notes for gs?

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  127. hey chandu
    my subjects r agri & botany
    kindly help me wth dem
    will evolution notes b enough?
    i’m an agri pg student…. so i cn afford only postal courses
    does evolution provides dis?
    if nt…den wch coachng’s notes shuld i prefer?

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  128. @ forest:
    I don’t think notes of coaching classes can really make much difference. Read books. Formulate ur own notes. As far as agriculture is concerned, there cannot be a better source than our UG notes..well presented and well updated. Coaching classes may just give u a horizontal outlook.
    if u are okay with agriculture, there should not be any problem with botany-2.
    Botany-1 can be li’l bit different for us. But still, it is related. A large chunk of microbiology and plant pathology is familiar to us. Taxonomy can be a problem, but a systematic approach shall take care of it (with only 5 questions to attempt, we can easily avoid taxonomy questions to the minimum).

    May i know ur subject for pg? Mine was plant pathology. I completed pg from UAS Dharwad. Here, they literally squeez students in research activities. If u have a better pg atmoshere, kindly pay more attention to IFoS. We can divide topics to be read on daily basis and discuss them at the end.

    Thanx.

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  129. plz anyone have any idea about forestry subject and where the notes are available.???..botany and forestry is same for me means new subjects so I want to take forestry because I think it is easy than botany and anyone knows that how to change the subject after filling the form ???or i have to fill a new one

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  130. @ sandip
    I don’t know whether it is feasible or not, but I know 2 ‘hot-spots’ where ‘forestry’ has been traditionally a favourite subject for IFoS….
    1. Tamil Nadu Agriculture University, Coimbatore.
    2. College of Forestry, Sirsi, Karnataka.

    If you are determined enough for forestry, you can contact these two place.

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  131. this forum is amajing i would like to say a lot of thanks to sudhanshu sir .I M trying for IFoS 2012&would like to say all aspirants do not think about cutt off but try for best as you can do.do not count attempt but this should be final attempt 4 U.my optional is ZOOLOGY,BOTANY MOB. NO -08960060609 Pls c me for further communiation

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  132. Respected Sudhanshu Sir,

    Pls form an activity/test series for all of us fr GK.GE/Bot/zoo..and give us a last date for submission of our ans…i knw u dnt hve much time 2 check and revert.We all jus need a consistency nd timeline to prepare..
    else pls tell us hw 2 focus on which topics more as we have left with only 2 months….
    pls reply sir

    Thanks
    Ankita

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  133. @Ankita

    Let me see if I can do. Btw, the best thing would be to revise on your own as much as you can… I remember, in my time I used to study from 9 in the morning to 3 in the night at one go {for two days preceding the optional paper}..and that was because I wanted to revise each and everything just before the exams!!

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  134. hi sudhanshu sir pls tell me that how one can revise whole syll.My opt. is zoology ,botany &there is no any gap in G.S.,ZOOLOGY,BOTANY .MR. GANGA SHARAN SINHGH IS A TRANIEE IFos belongs to our locality .do you know him?mob 8960060609. pls provide ur mob no. if possible

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  135. the main problem is how to motivate yourself because I fell that it is very hard to be in time table .??…..and also anyone tell me how to prepare for botany I don’t want to do complete syllabus

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    1. I need the answer of 2 questions foretry people please have a look

      a) How do variation in density and quality of forest influence annual yield estimation
      b) What is working cirlce? How is it decided in working plan exercise?

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  136. @ akshita yaa its boring bt I have done it around 80% & I am BSc biotech and I had never learn botany in my graduation so its little bit complicated for me thats why I need guidance from someone who have experience and forestry is good and scoring optional but the problem is that the notes are not easily available I also searched a lot but lastly I made my mind with botany… are U preparing for 2012? then u r late its around only 1 month left stick with the optional that U r preparing with

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  137. @@sundeep nodiyal yes i applied this year &its my first time so i m little scared .ihave revised my syllabus one time .what i mean to say is that its boring , i hv to motivate myself very much to study it,its was one of my sub. In grad. But i still i love stuying zoo..,i just cannot picturize in my like i can zoo. Concepts but i m revising it anyway…how is the preparation for g.k is going on.? I am now more towrds gk but revising my subjects also .all the best for ur preparation and exam (notes are a prob for forestry)

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  138. @ akshita 🙂 mine is also first attempt but till today I have not completed my course still trying hard to achieve it.ya u r right zoology is more interesting than botany ..M presently focusing towards subjects after that I move towards Gk portion..

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  139. Will u use vajiram notes or ncert for history and geography. & botany is going to be difficult b’cause we will nt get even single day 4revision in zoo. At there will b 1day gap. This way too agri. Or forestry wud hv been good choice as revision is very immp. But wailing is useless so study as much as i can.

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  140. It’s great to see you guys interacting on this forum..what I would like, though, is that after getting through, you guys must put forth your experiences down here..it may seem very boring, but it helps the aspirants immensely…those who were successful this year, should do that..

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  141. Dear Sudhanshu Sir,

    I would like to thank you for taking this initiative, this is great help to all of us aspiring candidates for IFS. I wrote IFS last year, while I didn’t expect to get through the written due to inadequate time for preparations. I was very confident about my score in English, I was shocked to score just 121/300, this has somehow shaken my confidence. I would like to ask, if there is a specific way of writing essays for such exams, same with letter writing. I write a personal blog here at wordpress(wonderfulwandering.wordpress.com), if time permits, please go through one of the articles and kindly comment if there is something wrong with my writing style.
    I appreciate your help! Many Thanks!

    Best,
    Shreya
    wonderfulwandering.wordpress.com

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  142. how about the BOTANY notes being provided by coaching centers.I want to consult the notes as a reference so that I get to make best out of reading the concerned books.So please let me know about the one whereby I can rely upon,,,,,,,thanks

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  143. Could anybody help me by suggesting some good books for:
    1. Ancient and Medieval Indian history (for ifos)
    2. General Geography (for ifos)
    Moreover, It’s hard to find the sufficient SPORTS TERMS?????

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  144. For history u can use ncert of 11 &12 class . Same for geography. For sports termss i have a book of Rgupta’s general knowledge for ifs ,it has english and g.k both in it but i feel after stuying it that its good for english and some general awareness part. There is also tata macgrawhill and rgupta’s general study for ias(cse)it has everything in it history,polity geo. Economics sprts terms author’name maps imp.places.but its material is more than what is required in ifos but still u can check it.
    @mirfazan

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    1. @ Ankita: We all face problems in r lives, we all have issues..”But in a day when u don’t face problems rest assured you are traveling in the wrong path”..We cant control everything in our life..so u have to develop the serenity to accept the things u cannot change..courage to change the things u can…and wisdom to know the difference..on a lighter vein..know that everything is temporary in this life..just as happy moments don’t stay fr long similarly bad moments also pass by..so cheer up something very good is round the corner for you!!!!!!!!!

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  145. Sudhanshu sir,

    I am preparing 1st time for IFS exam-2012, my optional are Geology and Forestry, could you please suggest me some prescribed books, so that it helps me to study straight away them.

    Thanking you sir.

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  146. Though younger in age to comment, I am amazed & happy to see an OFFICER of such a high rank finding out time to Guide the upcoming aspirants in relation to a not so popular younger brother of the prestigious CSE. Dear Sir, your efforts are dually respected and your guidance is equally ingratiated. I feel you are creating a difference between “An Officer” and “An Officer-Guide with solidarity”.

    Thank You Sir.

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  147. have a greetings of the day sir!!!!
    I am utsav patel from ahmedabad, gujarat. I have completed B.pharm and want to join Indian Forest Services. But there are so many confusions about eligibility criteria of pharmacy graduate.please help me by suggesting tht whether a pharmacy graduate is eligible for Indian Forest Services or not
    thank you

    .

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  148. Sir, firstly congrats…….. My name is Ankur and i am doing b.tech from CUSAT. My branch is polymer science and engineering. I have chose chemistry as an optional subject. i am confused about 2nd one…….. plz help me to chose 2nd optional subject. And suggests required materials for the concerned subjects. I am waiting for your reply sir. My email id is ankur0412@gmail.com. thank you

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  149. hi everybody………… I am working with ONGC as a Geologist and appearing for IFoS 2012 with Forestry and Geology optional…………. anybody needs any help regarding geology optional can contact me on e mail id: dayadilse@gmail.com………………i will be happy to share my knowledge of geology with all of you.

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  150. have a greetings of the day sir!!!!
    I am utsav patel from ahmedabad, gujarat. I have completed B.pharm and want to join Indian Forest Services. But there are so many confusions about eligibility criteria for pharmacy graduate.please help me by suggesting tht whether a pharmacy graduate is eligible for Indian Forest Services or not.My email id is utsavpatelpharma@yahoo.in
    thank you

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  151. hello Sir,

    sir m ritesh kumar and m preparing for IFS Xam this year. sir i have a doubt regarding to cut off marks, Sir is dere individual cut off marks for each subject or aggregate cut off on all four subject. pls Sir reply me nd help me out frm dis confusn.

    regards,
    ritesh kumar.

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  152. hi sir,,I completed my BBA and MBA ,,but i dont know that– im eglible for IFS or not by minimum education qualification criteria ,,sir i read that criteria but i become confused bcz i not taken any science or maths subject in graduation.im from bussiness administration field. Sir kindly guid me that im egligible or not.,,,,,thanks

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  153. Hello guys,

    Would be vastly grateful to you if you could help me identify books for Geology.

    Paper I:
    Section A –
    General Geology:
    Geomorphology and Remote Sensing:
    Structural geology:

    Section B –
    Paleontology:
    Stratigraphy and Geology of India:
    Hydrogeology and Engineering Geology:

    Paper II:
    Section A –
    Mineralogy:
    Igneous and Metamorphic Petrology:
    Sedimentology:

    Section B –
    Economic Geology:
    Mining Geology:
    Geochemistry & Environmental Geology:

    And let me heartily thank a man here, who I feel is always ready to help people, Mr. Daya Shankar. He has endeavored to guide me through the same and relevant e-books.

    God Bless You.

    Thanks folks,

    Hemant.
    hemantm.210685@gmail.com

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  154. have a greetings of the day sir!!!!
    I am utsav patel from ahmedabad, gujarat. I have completed B.pharm and want to join Indian Forest Services. But there are so many confusions about eligibility criteria for pharmacy graduate.please help me by suggesting tht whether a pharmacy graduate is eligible for Indian Forest Services or not.My email id is utsavpatelpharma@yahoo.in
    God bless you… thank you

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  155. Hi Sudhanshu,

    I am 25 now and have been planning to go for IFS from quite some time now.
    I have been an electronics n comm engineer and working with MNC as Software tester.

    I am opting for Forestry aa one of my optionals.

    can u suggest me other optional.

    As I talked to a physics teached he suggested, physics is way too hard go for some easier subject.

    will Botany or agriculture engineering be a good option?

    Need ur help.

    Thanks in advance 🙂

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  156. Hi sudhanshu

    I am a Mechanical Engineer and interested in IFoS. The thing is, i will be going to HK for work purpose for 9 months, since i will be targetting IFoS 2013, is it possible to study while working?

    Regards

    Shashank Gangil

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  157. hello sir i am avikalpa rai sinha passed class 12th with maths stream. i am opting for bsc geology and want to continue with this subject to get through indian forest services please give me he necessary details and tips…….i have no other aim than i.f.s

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  158. hello sir i am avikalpa rai sinha. i have just passed class 12h with maths and now i am going to pursue bsc geology.. my only and only aim in life is INDIAN FOREST SERVICES i just want your guidance as i know you have been the torch bearer for thousands…. i want to know what should be my first step towards i.f.s and currently i am referring to ncert class 6th to 12th books for general studies what else should i do? i would be highly fortunate if u revert back…….
    thank you

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  159. hello there,
    I’m a IIT kharagpur graduate in Agriculture and Food Engg and willing to appear for IFS 2013.
    has anyone taken ‘agricultural engg’ as one of the optional subjects??
    it’s been difficult to find any related material..i’ve come to notice in past years a very few have taken it as an optional subject..
    Please Share any information regarding this or mail me at maeddy08@gmail.com

    thank you all for reading this and share any info for the greater good of IFS of course if you are able to :l

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  160. @chandu,,,I am writing in 2013.How did you perform.
    Could you please provide some information about GEOLOGY.Which books and study material to consult as I didn’t feel comfortable with Botany>Please help!!!!!!!!!

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  161. @faizan
    This year’s exam had many twists and turns…upsc is hinting at a flexible pattern, which changes every year. English paper had 2 letters, 2 precise paragraphs and usual grammar. Gk was easy but we must concentrate on the skill of expressing more things in less words..and that too strictly as per the available time. Botany was simple. I faced li’l problem wid agri-2. That’s it.
    Upsc asks for 50-55 per cent. So, anything between 700-750 in written would place you in a safe zone. Let’s see. The major competition from agri-forestry guys is absent this year. So, cut-off is likely to come down (that’s a pure anticipation).
    I’m so sorry…i don’t have any idea about geology. But it looks similar to geography. You shouldn’t have any problems with it. As far as botany is concerned, well planned and smart preparation can fetch you a good score. May i know ur subject of specialisation in graduation??
    Choose optional subject based on following priorities:
    1. Your interest and comfort
    2. Notes and other material available in the market
    3. Group of students opting for the subject

    Well, for geology material, i suggest u to go through the syllabus and speak to professors n students in d universities…like DU. You may get valuable guidance there. Search for successful candidates wid geology as an optional subject.

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  162. Thanks for your response dear Chandu.
    I am a Forestry graduate.Earlier this year, I started preparing Botany but the traditional botany posed the problem.As Botany is infamous in Kashmir Adm Service, I would like to be in the safe zone.Please help with more valuable suggestions as I am not going for pg(I finished my degree a month back)

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  163. @faizan ..if u r going to opt for botany, coaching by ‘evolution’ classes in delhi will be a good decision. it will help u to deal with botany from basics and that too in an ‘exam oriented’ way. if u r not comfortable with botany, better not to opt for it. instead, u can start thinking seriously about geology. just go through the syllabus and google the study material. i’m sure u’ll get loads n loads of info.
    as far as botany is concerned, u might hv problems wid botany-1. people face problems when it comes to taxonomy. well, u can tackle botany-1 easily. just pay more attention to microbiology, plant pathology, embryology, economic botany and other chapters excluding taxonomy. there are 8 questions in the paper, out of which we hv to attempt any 5. by this way, u can easily avoid those taxonomy questions. this is a dangerous task too. some taxonomy questions may crop-in in compulsory questions. there is a solution for this problem too. when u r done wid remaining chapters, u can study selected families (there are 15-20 imp families frm angiosperms) while referring to previous yr’s que papers. some questions frm lower plants hv been repeated again n again.
    for geology, what i think is u hv to start geology frm grass-root level. anyways, geology stuff sounds much easier to understand for a layman too; while for botany, one must be thorough wid basics.

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  164. @Chandu,,,Sir, it is really great of you!
    What remains for me is to choose one out these two optionals.
    I’ll once again try to figure out the problems on botany.Now, the task for me is to thoroughly go through the syllabus and exam papers.

    Coaching at Mukherjee Nagar is all the way difficult due to financial constraints.Sir,,,btw, how much does it cost to stay in Delhi.Hope you will reply!

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  165. @faizan….yeah..it’s better to first go through the syllabus. In delhi u hv to keep aside at least 15-20k monthly for rent, food and other needs (to be on a leisure side. People manage within 15k too). As far as coaching classes r concerned, fee for vajiram-gs is 56k….and for individual subjects it is around 30k. This affair has become too costly nowadays. Dedicated and sincere Self-study is the best option.

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  166. Though younger in age to comment, I am amazed & happy to see an OFFICER of such a high rank finding out time to Guide the upcoming aspirants in relation to a not so popular younger brother of the prestigious CSE. Dear Sir, your efforts are dually respected and your guidance is equally ingratiated. I feel you are creating a difference between “An Officer” and “An Officer-Guide with solidarity”

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  167. Sir, I’m a civil engineer and just passed out of college this june. I have given the exam this year with agriculture and civil engg. I’m expecting around 250 in paper1 and 2 of civil, above 220 in English and around 130 in gk. I didnt prepare much for agriculture and managed to write the paper with my previous, school’s knowledge and some part of irrigation engg’s( covered in civil engg) knowledge, but I have attempted all the questions decently except for some real technical qustions in paper2 of agriculture and written whatever relevant I knew, what score would be sufficient to get final call safely.

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  168. @faizan…..i really don’t know anyone who opted for geology or is opting for the same. you can get the info from universities as mentioned earlier. geology can be a good option. go through the syllabus and question papers.
    @mohsin….as u r graduate with ‘biology’, i don’t think u’ll face difficulties with botany and agri. both are related.

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  169. @ chandu… thank u sir.. plz suggest me study material for GK and English…
    And I have collected syllabus and study materials list from examrace.com for agri and botany… is that ok…? plz reply

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  170. @mohsin
    It’s better if you read from standard books. These notes are not well updated. For example, Calvin cycle….notes will complete it in few steps. But Calvin cycle is much more than that…books will give you exact cycle + carbon/ATP balance sheet. If your notes have all the required points, then it’s okay. If not, you may end up in a sub-standard answer in exam.

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  171. Sir, I’m a civil engineer and just passed out of college this june. I have given the exam this year with agriculture and civil engg. I’m expecting around 250 in paper1 and 2 of civil, above 220 in English and around 130 in gk. I didnt prepare much for agriculture and managed to write the paper with my previous, school’s knowledge and some part of irrigation engg’s( covered in civil engg) knowledge, but I have attempted all the questions decently except for some real technical qustions in paper2 of agriculture and written whatever relevant I knew, what score would be sufficient to get final call safely.

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  172. @chandu…….’this year major competition from agri-forestry students is absent’ what do you mean by that……..this year zoology I paper was very very lengthy……and zoology paper II was much difficult…….same was the case with Vet. Sci & AH……
    so i think cut off should b lesser this time
    last time it was probably around 600……

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  173. @ mohsin..I will msg you.
    @aristocrat..agriculture and forestry combination was most successful one before…both subjects are related. An agri. student is comfortable with forestry and vice versa. In short, the students of this combination used to get high scores in written. The merit too used to touch 930+.
    But, this year onwards, UPSC has scrapped this combination, and hence, majority of agri-forestry students have either not applied or have come up with a new subject. With UPSC keeping the students guessing with its ‘flexible’ pattern of questions, the merit may come down this year. This is just a speculation.

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  174. @Dhiraj…….All optionals are equally scoring……UPSC has no penchance for a particular optional……Regarding the selection of Optionals, interest in the subject should be the sole criterion……..If you dont enjoy studying an optionals, you wont be able to study consistently to compete for the marathon competition…..So in my opinion, interest in the subject, availibility of study material, availability of guidance, coupled with self-assessment will act as beacons to guide you how to plan for your ambitions……..

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  175. @chandu……thanks for the concern…….yes you are right……i think this year overall level of difficulty was much higher than last year……in GK conventional areas where missing like trade mark Sports terms…….english paper was lengthy…..in zoology paper I, each compulsory question was having 8 subparts and each subpart used to be of 40 mark weightage in earlier times……zoology paper II was a surprize to many that they left examination hall after 1 1/2 hr and never returned back for the second optional….Same was the case with AH & VS,…..that way i think cut off will be lesser this time

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  176. @aristocrat
    Indeed, the questions were quite different this year. As far as agri is concerned, paper II was more oriented towards ‘basic fundamentals’, ‘minor subjects…which I neglected’ and technicalities. It would be wrong to say that papers were lengthy. If we would hv followed the prescribed word limit, poor time management would nt hv occured. That is what UPSC wants. It wants us to develop the ability of describing what we ‘know’ in minimum possible words. In GK paper too, I spent a lot of time on geography questions…describing them in detail. Thus, i had to sacrifice other questions due to paucity of time.
    Anyways..we should not think about it now. Whatever happened was for a greater good. Let’s hope for the best.

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  177. @chandu…….in complusory questions i exceeded the word limit (almost double the prescribed word limit in some questions)……will it leave a negative impression on the evaluator…….
    in CSAT i was having a score in the range of 205-215…….couldnt qualify
    what was your score in CSAT
    I have already sent you an e-mail on ur id you had provided here……stay in touch brother……

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  178. @aristocrat
    Definately it will create a bad impression. The examiner will not check ‘how much you know’ but will check your ability to write what u know in prescribed word limit. I asked this doubt to some of my teachers. They gave a different opinion. They said that our marks will not be deducted, but exceeding word limit will eat away other questions….an indirect loss!
    I too did not qualify in the civil services prelims. I was expecting anything around 190. I could not complete CSAT but did fairly well in GS. The results came as a shock for me. Nevertheless, I have learnt a lesson of ‘time management’ in my first attempt. People are saying that merit has touched close to 200 this year. I’m quite surprised that u did not make it. There is a friend of mine who was confident of scoring 125 in csat. But could not perform well in gs…he expected to get 70-80 in gs. By that way, he would hv easily crossed 200 limit. But he too did not pass through. Maybe there is separate passing of 50% in csat and gs.

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  179. @chandu….i subscribe to your teacher’s opinion that exceeding word limit is not going to affect ones scoring in any question…….i think word limit is just a guide, if you dont follow it you wont be able to do justice to all questions that are being asked……i dont think that cut off in CSAT would have been less than 205……..and ther are no separate cut offs for sure……..Failures are part of life dear……..dont get bogged down by them……evuluate your failures, draw valuable lessons from them and keep forging relentlessly towards your goal……

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  180. @aristocrat
    Yeah. True. I learnt a lot from this chance. I quote saint Tukaram,
    ”asadhya te sadhya
    Karita saayas,
    Kaaran abhyaas,
    Tuka mhane”

    Meaning: saint Tukaram says impossible shall become possible, if u try and practice harder.

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  181. ir, I’m a civil engineer and just passed out of college this june. I have given the exam this year with agriculture and civil engg. I’m expecting around 250 in paper1 and 2 of civil, above 220 in English and around 130 in gk. I didnt prepare much for agriculture and managed to write the paper with my previous, school’s knowledge and some part of irrigation engg’s( covered in civil engg) knowledge, but I have attempted all the questions decently except for some real technical qustions in paper2 of agriculture and written whatever relevant I knew, what score would be sufficient to get final call safely.

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  182. @Luv……….it is very difficult task to predict the cut off……..around 1,00,000 applicants, out of which around 60,000 write the exam, 240 get the call for interview…….for general category you have to be among the top 25……nobody can predict the cut off……..however based of previous results, 700 score must get u a call for interview……….

    @Rahul……..last year, candidates with 570 score got a call for interview……hope that this year it will be lesser than that………best of luck……

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  183. this Jairam Ramesh came, spoiled everything and went away. Kindly see this report by J.C.KALA committee.

    http://www.ifs.nic.in/misc/KALA_committee_Report_IFS.pdf

    The committee has suggested that ‘a minimum marks should be fixed for general knowledge paper to screen out the candidates so that upsc need not handle evaluation of large no. of answer papers. If they wanted to do it, why did they conduct entire examination? They could have simply put a preliminary test! Such a waste of time, efforts and answer sheets of students!!

    What about this ‘minimum marks’ drama now??? Does anyone know about it? upsc’s favourite limit for ‘minimum marks’ would be 50% i guess. That comes to 150 marks! Highly impossible for me 😦

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  184. @chandu
    i appeared in ifos exam this year with physics and maths as optionals.i agree with ur views regarding pattern change and difficulty levels of english and gk but don’t agree with that of optionals. i have no idea about ur optionals but physics paper this year was quite easy, especially paper 2 was very easy and short(provided candidates thoroughly practiced from previous years papers ). most of the questions were repetitive and few interlinked questions were also asked. the first paper of physics which is considered the difficult paper was just of moderate difficulty (much easier than last year). all numericals were easy and most of the questions were factual. i think anybody with thorough preparation could have scored full marks in second paper and 150+ in the first paper.
    same was in the case of maths paper. maths paper 2 (which is considered the difficult paper) was easy due to the straight forward nature of questions, though lengthy. all the questions asked were from standard books and few questions were repeated from previous years. so cross checking of the answers after the exams became easy. i hope anybody with thorough preparation from standard books could have attempted 150+ marks in paper 2 easily(since there were no options in compulsory questions, scoring above 170+ was slighly difficult because generally students tend to leave one unit from paper 2 due to lengthy syllabus). same was my case too!!!.
    maths paper 1(which is considered the easy paper) was slightly tough, not because difficult questions were asked but because of pattern change.
    in previous years, generally except the compulsory questions, all parts of a question of paper 1 was asked from the same unit. this helped the students to be a bit selective regarding the first paper. this way students used to prepare for 4 units thoroughly for the first paper(out of six units) to save time to devote to the second paper because students have to prepare for almost all units in paper 2 since subparts of a question in paper 2 are asked from various units unlike the first paper. i think upsc might have realized this and in order to compel the students to prepare for paper 1 without skipping a single unit, they mixed the questions from various units under a single main question. that is, all sub parts of a question were asked from different units like paper 2. the weightage of marks given to various units were also changed. this shows how unpredictable upsc has become. but still person with good preparation could have attempted 120+ marks easily and those lucky ones who prepared five units thoroughly(out of six) in paper 1 will definitely cross 150+ marks boundary easily. i think maths physics combo will definitely have a higher success rate this year.what are ur views?

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  185. @Prabith……yaar bachchon ki jaan lo gay kya 🙂
    What you said, translats into scores 900
    means cut off for general category can be 800 ……..
    Hope that engineers leave some space for zoologist and Vet.s, both optionals very probably most difficult in the history of IFoS……

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  186. @prabith
    That’s a good news. looks like UPSC is in need of Physicists and mathematecians in ifs to invent some more god particles!
    Well…u mentioned ‘units’ in maths. Same is the case with my optional ..agriculture. In paper 2, quite a good number of questions were asked from ‘minor’ topics which i never cared to revise. I have attempted those questions in a vague manner. For u fellows, it is very simple….solve a numerical and u can get cent percent marks for it.

    @aristocrat….let’s hope that the limit for ‘minimum marks’ doesn’t cross 100. That would be 33%..! I can’t believe it… fetching 33% has become a herculian task!

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  187. @ Chandu……I absolutely agree with you. I wrote the xam this year and I too don’t expect getting 150 marks in g.k… I can get a max. of 110 if the examiner is very liberal.. I read Kala committee report. Don’t you think they are talking about the combined marks of g.k. and english for setting the cut off limit??

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  188. just imagine a situation where u r confident of scoring 150+ in every optional, but fail to cross upsc’s ‘minimum marks doctrine’ (which upsc has not disclosed)..! That would be a disaster! I wake up everyday with this fear that my optional answer sheets will not be evaluated 😦

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  189. @aristocrat
    Please don’t be disheartened or dismayed by what i have said. this is a pure anticipation. also, i have explicitly mentioned the word ‘thorough’. a candidate with a thorough preparation could have attempted even the difficult questions whereas a candidate with a poor preparation could not have attempted even an easy question. since candidates are unaware of the difficulty level of various papers, they have to prepare thoroughly for all the papers(that is, they have to practice all sorts of questions, from the easiest to the toughest). an unprepared or poorly prepared candidate lacks self confidence and can make serious errors even in the simplest questions. so, it doesn’t matter if the papers are easy or moderately difficult, a well prepared candidate can fare far better marks than their(poorly prepared) counterparts. more than 50 percent of the candidates appearing for the exam generally do not prepare anything,so they are nowhere in the picture. out of the rest 50 percent candidates, more than 25 percent skips many portions of the syllabus(due to lack of time or non availability of study material or laziness or end moment preparation etc). since, upsc takes due care to ask questions from almost all portions of the syllabus, selective preparation at times can put a candidate at a great disadvantage.rest 25 percent (or even much lesser) are the ones who cover almost the entire syllabus(or atleast 85 to 90 percent of the syllabus). they are your real competition.these candidates too at times end up committing serious blunders in the examination such as poor time management( they don’t practice writing model answers during their preparation time and end up writing too much for a particular question in exam forgetting that they have a maximum time of three hours only and not the entire day!!!).these candidates don’t understand where to stop. in such circumstances, either they do not complete the entire paper on time or cannot do justice to the rest of the questions. this can make them feel distressed affecting their performance in the rest of the papers too!
    i think the cut off will be in the range of 600-630(or even less than that). the number of selections from maths physics combo this year would be slightly high only, though the highest marks secured by a candidate can be much higher than the previous years. this analysis could even be wrong since candidates belonging to this combo generally have a poor gk. there is almost no overlapping with the gk syllabus. the vast syllabus of both the subjects eat most of their time and they prepare for gk at the end only. many of the candidates still are even not aware that a minimum qualifying marks is required in gk from this year otherwise their other 5 papers won’t be evaluated.
    this happened because aspirants generally don’t bother to read the lengthy notification. they consider it useless or a waste of time. i also came to know about it just one month before the exam. i panicked a bit and devoted 20 days exclusively for gk preparation.i think the minimum qualifying marks this year for gk won’t exceed seventy.

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  190. @prabith
    That is the real problem. If everything goes well, i’m confident of scoring anything between 660-700. Pray for me that all my answer scripts shall be evaluated 🙂
    UPSC is very cruel when it comes to fixing cutoff marks. It asks for 50% …i know it very well…right from NDA-upsc exam to CSE.
    I don’t think it will be difficult for UPSC to pick up 230 candidates (for interview) amongst 50000 students, who have gk scores between 45-50% (i.e 135-150). I’m damn sure there are even more than 230 candidates who have their gk scores in this range.

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  191. You are correct Chandu. IFoS-2012 notification tells about the g.k. marks for setting the cut off limit. I have got g.k. marks of few selected candidates in IFoS-2011. They are as under:
    Rank 5- 104
    Rank 11- 131
    Rank 23- 122
    Rank 26- 132
    Rank 37- 118
    Rank 52- 89
    Rank 84 (PC category)- 54
    Considering a slight change in question pattern in g.k. this year, I hope the cut will come down a bit say below 100 for general category. What do you all think guys??

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  192. @shreya……last year their was a 20 mark map question, 20marks from current events, 10 mark abbreviations, 10 mark sports terms, very easy history portion…..most of them wer either missing or weightage considerably decreased……so overall the scoring potential of this years Gk was much lesser compared to last year’s GK paper……..even IAS toppers score 200 to 250 out of 600……..given all these facts, i dont think the qualifying mark in GK will exceed the 100 mark……..

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  193. @chandu
    there has been a lot of discussion going on regarding the minimum qualifying marks in gk.as all of u may be aware that generally candidates refer previous years question papers to get an idea of the type of questions that are being asked in a particular subject.so, preparation is carried out keeping previous years papers as the base.let us analyse last year’s gk question paper and compare it with this year to get a clear idea of the picture.
    let us divide gk into six main components such as geography(this includes map work with special stress on national parks,wildlife sancturies, biosphere reserves or biodiversity hotspots in india),polity(this includes indian constitution and indian political scenario),history(this includes various important places/terms or people from ancient,medieval or modern history which can be asked for 2 marks),economics(basic indian economy and it’s special features),general science and miscellanous(this includes science and technology,various development programmes by different ministries with special emphasis on ministry of environment and forests, development in the field of space(isro),defence(drdo),nuclear power(india’s nuclear energy programme),people in news(with special emphasis on people who receive different awards or brought laurels to the country),abbreviations,terms related to games and sports(or personalities related to different games and sports),author of books,explaining various terms related to general knowledge in short(the terms can be political,geographical,environmental,
    economic,social or at times cultural or related to any other topic studied above),
    few questions related to current events(matters of prime national or international importance may be asked,though the number of questions may be very low).

    if i am leaving some topics, please add it to the list. analysis and comparison will be done in my next post.

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  194. @chandu
    sorry! i forgot to add about united nations and it’s specialized agencies(to be studied in detail),various aggrements signed by india with other countries(the aggrements can be trade related or regarding climate change),basic knowledge about india’s look east policy,TRIPS agreement,TRIMS,SAFTA,NAFTA and many other regional trading blocs affecting india’s economic relations with other countries(this area can be covered under economics or under current events or both).

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  195. @chandu
    also include developments in the field of information technology(IT), nanotech,biotech and basics of computers and robotics(very few questions have been asked from this area and have chances of being asked in the near future).

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  196. @ aristocrat, shreya and prabith
    It’s an old, hidden gut-feeling inside me which is igniting a pessimist out of me. To be frank, the gk paper was not ‘that’ difficult. Anyone with a general preparation would have found it simple, the only concern being the ‘time management’. Let’s have a question-wise look at this year’s gk paper.
    Q.1 map work….with my ‘mediocre’ performance, i could mark 5 of them correctly. A better prepared candidate would at least mark 8 of them…for sure.
    Q.2 a student with a firm grip on indian polity should hv had no problem in answering CAG and RTE, fetching 30-35 marks with ease.
    Q.3 …a gold mine for geographers!…an easy 90 marker! Anyone with strong basics should hv performed ‘above average’ in this section. People like me, who lost the sense of ‘time management’ stumbled here and could not give justice to other questions.
    Q.4 anyone with common sense and genuine knowledge of history can easily score 25-30 or even more in this question.
    Q.5 and Q.6…..well prepared students always keep in touch with government policies and related issues. It’s not at all difficult to answer these questions in 100 and 40 words respectively!
    Q.7 and Q. 8…..these science questions can be a weak area for everyone. But ‘intelligent’ and ‘smart’ students know how to ‘shoot from the hip..like an aussie cowboy’!
    Q.9 i knew some of those personalities, but could not recall. I’m sure some students (at least 230/50000) would have done exceptionally well here.

    So..in short, it’s not difficult to score 130-150 in gk with better preparation….and THERE ARE 230 such students in India…damn damn sure! Call me a pessimist or whatever (pessimist for myself and optimistic for others! 🙂 )

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  197. There are 2 kinds of tests: (1) Screening tests and (2) Qualifying tests.
    In case of screening tesst (e.g. UPSC Civil Service Pre), the total no. of students to be selected is pre decided. In that case the cut off is bound to be high.
    On the other hand, in case of qualifying tests (e.g. CSIR-NET Pre/ARS-NET Pre), the cut off mark is pre decided and generally it is kept at lower side so as to ensure that maximum number of students can cross it.
    In my judgement, UPSC should go for keeping g.k. mark as qualifying mark. Of course it is not difficult for UPSC to select 230 top scoring g.k. papers who will get in the range of 130-150. But, what is the guarantee that they are the top 230 students with highest scoring marks in all the 4 subjects taken together?? After all, it is the total marks of all 4 subjects which will decide whether we shall get call for interview or not.
    Friends, I am not an optimist… I am just sharing my thoughts with you all…Let me know your views…

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  198. @chandu
    what u say seems to be highly impossible.if all answer sheets of only those 170 candidates(85*2 ,that is double the number of posts) who obtained the highest marks in gk is to be evaluated, then nobody should have prepared for the other two optional subjects(not even english!!!). all can spend the entire year by studying gk only(it would have been very easy for us then!!!). this is because the number of candidates that qualify for the personality test is double the number of posts available, therefore their probability of becoming an ifos officer is 50 percent. if their personality test too goes smoothly(or even if it does not go smoothly as these people may not have any idea about their optional subjects,they may be awarded low marks. still not to worry as all the 170 candidates are sailing on the same boat and all are equally dumb!!!). this becomes a boon for everyone as everybody will be awarded very low marks in the personality test. the maximum marks to be awarded will be 50(that also if the board is lenient).the aspirant who gets 50 marks would feel that he is the brightest amongst the dumbest!!!. so, gk marks become the sole deciding factor whether a candidate will become an ifos officer or not!!!.if such a candidate becomes an ifos officer (so easily!!!), then let god save our country.this will make a mockery of upsc and the entire examination system.
    this may seem a bit funny but i hope u understood my main motive behind saying this !!!.

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  199. @Prabith…….i second your view point……i think we are unneccarily blowing the issue……let the results come out, everything will become crystal clear………according to me if you have cleared the holy 100 mark in GK, you need not to worry……for OBC and other categories the qualifying level will be even lower than that…….why to die a death before being ordered to die,…….in UPSC exams failures are inevitable……Lets prepare for the worst, but hope for the best,….. 🙂

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  200. @prabith and shreya
    Generally, 220-230 candidates are called for the interview every year. But this year is a special one, for it involves li’l different statistics.
    Earlier, upsc used to evaluate every answer script off all candidates and then draw top 230 for the interview. This was a tedious job coz of its bulkyness. It had an advantage too. Each paper contributed to the score!
    But now, the situation is not so straight forward. There are two aspects/stages in this year’s exam:

    1. The ultimate aim of upsc is to reduce the load of answer scripts by screening-out candidates with low gk scores (irrespective of scores in other papers). Here, candidates with low scores in gk will be screened-out even if they have high scores in other papers and candidates having a better score in gk will be screened-in even if they have performed poor in other papers (so, it doesn’t matter whether thsese screened-in candidates are top performing candidates or not. Because, the idea is to filter out candidates).

    2.now, say, upsc screens-in 1000 such candidates. The competition will be resumed between these screened-in candidates. Here, the scores of other papers will come into picture. There is every possibility that the overall merit will be low at this stage. Top performing 230 candidates will be called for the interview (however low their scores be!)

    So, the idea here is to select those candidates who have done better in both gk and other papers. Aren’t there 230 such candidates all over India? I think there are! And then there is reservation system too!

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  201. @chandu…….for mains, usually UPSC selects 10 times the no. Of seats, and then on based on overall performance, it calls candidates for interview 3 times the no. Of posts……here they can select 850 candidates on the basis of ther performance in GK, after checking all ther answer sheets, it can call 240 for interview……i think that will be a standard way it can justify……rest the time and results will decide……it is just an attempt to alley your fears @chandu 🙂

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  202. @chandu……things are beyond our control……..usually they keep very less gap between IAS mains and IFoS results, since interview boards remain same for both…….and first of all they have to check 50,000 GK answer sheets…….be cool dear…….whats in our destiny, we will get it even if it is between two mountains, and what isnt in our destiny we cant get it even if it is inbetween our two lips……just chill yaar 🙂

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  203. if upsc has 100 evaluators and each one of them evaluates 100 papers a day, then 50000 papers would take 5 days! No worries even if there are 100000 papers (10 days). Taking ‘Indian mentality’ into consideration, let’s increase the duration to 1 month. For 850×5=4250 remaining papers, let’s take another month. For other works such as tallying and decisions, let us consider one more month. It adds up to 3 months. Results should be declared by Nov. end.

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  204. @chandu,aristocrat and shreya
    this type of discussion seems to have no end.this will only help in increasing our stress levels rather than concluding an answer!!!.nevertheless, even if our exams had gone off very well(in all the subjects) and we may have qualified for the personality test,still on the safer side we might have prepared and revised whatever we studied for the next year’s ifos exam. so it’s better to prepare for the next year’s exam once again with full momentum with special emphasis on gk this time.preparation for the personality test should definitely be done along with the gk preparation since u never know what destiny has in store for u. upsc always does something which is least expected by the students. may be it follows the proverb “the unexpected always happens”!!!.

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  205. @priya
    Yeah..it’s an eerie truth of this year. If you don’t mind, may i know how much did u expect to score last year…?? How much is the difference between ‘our expectation’ and ‘evaluator’s mercy’?? I just wanted to know the extent of liberal evaluation.

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  206. @chandu last year i didnt calculate an expected score mainly bcs i hadnt prepared much , got 541 marks .. irony is this year even after preparing , exam appeared more difficult , and on calculating i am getting below 550 !if the weightage pattern is changed we cant predict anything ..also we can expect a diff interview pattern too involving GD .. i think it s better to start preparing for the next as this year seems to b a narrow chance.

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  207. @priya
    Never mind. Things often change when upsc is concerned! Everyone is expecting in the same range…even those who hv been preparing exclusively for ifos since 3-4 yrs. After seeing their condition, i’hv also scaled down my expectations! 🙂
    jaane kab aaega woh din!

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  208. @Priya…..you are not the only contender to face the irony…….i think it was same for all…….barring those having physics and Mathematics, who claim to have had relatively less difficult question papers……..i think last year cut off for interview was around 590……..provided the relatively less scoring potential of this years GK, it will come down by atleast 20 marks……it may be noted that although GK paper was not difficult but the questions like sports terms, names of books 10 mark abbreviations, 20 mark national park, sanctuary names etc, which could fetch marks on mathematical lines were absent, and in theoretical question you can not score more than 70 %………then absence of agri-forestry combi. Will reduce the competition by atleast 20 marks………no choice in compulsory questions and relatively difficult questions asked in zoology and vet. Will decrease the score by another 20 marks atleast…..cut off in GK can remove many serious students that had exceptionally done well in optionals, bringing cut off down by another 10 marks……so chances are that there may be a cut off lesser by 50-70 marks than last year………i may be completely wrong, and we may expect a cut off much higher than last year, because we never know how many well prepared candidates are appearing……but nevertheless we must never give hope…….

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  209. i hv one doubt regarding reservation system. Now it is quite sure that about 850 candidates will be screened-in after evaluation of gk papers. Will this reservation system apply here too? If yes, how? I have formed a crude picture as per my understanding. Correct me if i am wrong:
    OBC = 27% = 230 candidates
    SC = 15% = 128 candidates
    ST = 7% = 60 candidates
    GENERAL = 432 candidates
    (there are PH candidates also. But let’s ignore them at this moment)

    After evaluating say 50000 gk papers, top 432 candidates will be screened-in irrespective of whether they are obc, sc, st or general. This would constitute general quota. Obc, sc, st candidates coming in this merit shall be considered as general. The marks of 432nd candidate will be cutoff marks for general merit.
    Now, remaining top performing 230 obc candidates will be screened-in. Marks of 230th candidate will be cutoff marks for obc. Here, respective percentage of minority obc candidates shall also be maintained.
    Likewise, 128 sc and 60 st candidates will be selected.

    Is this statistics correct?

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  210. @chandu…..they have nowhere mentioned the ten times ratio for fixing the GK cut off……they can select more than 850, but commonsense says it will never be less than 850……yes they have to select as per the quotas to be filled as they do it in CSE, otherwise they cant meet their obligations…….they percentages you mentioned should have been in same order, but unfortunately last years finals selection list they mentioned that out of 85 there are 33 OBS, 14 sc, 6 ST 3 PH…….means ther wer just 24 general category……so it should be 240……. May be i am wrong…..

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  211. @aristocrat
    it is true that ’10x’ rule is nowhere written, but conventions which upsc has been following since many years speaks about the same. Forget about the ‘number’…i’m concerned abt the procedure…is the procedure mentioned by me right??

    The excess obc candidates which u r talking abt may hv gotten their seat in general category…….who knows

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  212. @aristocrat
    why do u feel that maths and physics papers were the easiest amongst all the other subjects? why will upsc dilute the prestige of the service by making very easy question papers in certain subjects? after all, upsc is known for making difficult question papers only and not easy!!! almost all the exams conducted by upsc are considered quite tough such as nda,cds,ies, civil services and many more!!!. after all u too have mentioned in one of ur earlier posts that all optional subjects are equally scoring and equally difficult.
    let me take the example of maths. there are 13 units in all(paper 1 and paper 2). the word unit may be slightly misleading because one unit in maths is equivalent to a full fledged subject. most of the units require more than one book(some units require atleast 3 books). so, the minimum number of books to be referred for maths preparation exceeds 20.if all these books are not referred, it is not impossible to cover the entire upsc syllabus. almost all the questions asked in the question papers are from these standard books only, that also from the solved examples. this doesn’t make the task easy for the students at all. practicing from these standard books is a tedious task. a single problem has to be practiced thrice to gain speed and accuracy(since inaccurate answers are awarded a zero in this paper). most of these standard books are unavailable in the local market. it is not possible for every person to go to delhi to buy these books. though many books can be purchased through flipkart, still few books always remain unavailable or are out of stock.it is imperative to purchase all these books because generally upsc gives credit to those aspirants only who write the solution in exactly the same way as mentioned in these standard books. solution steps copied from a cheap guide and reproduced during the exam doesn’t fetch marks or fetch very low marks. it’s a fact.
    same is the case with physics. at least 15 books are also required to be referred in this subject to complete the entire physics ifos syllabus. here also, most of the questions(factual and numericals)are asked from these books only(though their availability again poses a problem for many like maths).it took me more than 3 months to arrange all these books!!!
    so my question is-how many students purchase all these books from the market(or where ever it is available) and study? remember these books have no substitutes(if
    u refer some other books which upsc doesn’t prefer for searching answers or recommend, u are in great trouble!!!).normally, students preparing for ifos with maths and physics as optionals does not do such intense preparation in these subjects unless they are preparing for civil services with the same optionals.if they refer all these books and prepare, they top not only in ifos but in civil services as well. the top 20 or top 40 rankers in ifos( having physics and maths as optionals)are selected in civil services as well with the same optionals. this is the main reason why maths physics combo has a very low success rate every year in ifos. i felt the paper was easy because i had all the relevant books. many might have felt the paper to be very tough(who didn’t purchase the required books). also completing all these books atleast require one
    full year and gk and english requires another four months. so the time reqired for complete preparation is nearly 1.5 years(u cannot complete the syllabus in haste, if u do so, the whole effort becomes a waste).so, this only signifies that the success rate of maths physics combo will always remain much lower as compared to biology allied subjects.
    so,aristocrat, ur main competition will only be from those students who have taken ur same optionals. biology allied students will always dominate ifos rather than engineers!!!.

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  213. @Brother Prabith……kindly let me know where i have mentioned that “physics maths papers where easiest among all” …..i said they where RELATIVELY LESS DIFFICULT……i meant to say in relation to last years Exam the level of difficulty was less……means may be you people were facing more harsh treatment from UPSC, but this year they have provided you some respite……you have urself mentioned that “i think this year more students from physics maths combo will make it to the selection list”…….similarly, may be zoology and Vet students where having relatively easier patterns, and this year they level it to other subjects…….i have no grudge against engineers…..i stick to my point that ther are no marks fetching subjects but marks fetching candidates………let me Quote PrakashRaj Purohit (CSE 2009, AIR-2) “Science subjects either take you to the top, or leave you nowhere’…….may be this time the lady luck has come and smiled at you, and the system became less unfavourable to those optionals…….. 🙂

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  214. we dnt need to crack our nerves now i think ..the results r still far away ..4-5 months are there bfre us , as per discussions what i understood is they will first filter people based on GK & then based on aggregate marks & aptitude for ifs , so we better continue wt our efforts be it for interview /next year exam . last year the results came in jan & the next notification on feb ..so we wnt have time for frustration …

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  215. If an obc/sc/st candidate is a top scorer and ranks within 290, he/she will be treated as general candidate. Thus, a gen candidate can compete for 50% seats, an obc candidate for 77% seats, sc candidate for 65% and st candidate for 57% seats.

    after screening-in candidates for gk, candidates will be further filtered based on aggregate marks.

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  216. @raj
    don’t worry. this year’s ifos question papers of all subjects will be uploaded in the upsc website within the month of september. generally, upsc uploads question papers of various exams (conducted by it) two months after the completion of the respective exam. since, ifos exam was held in july, therefore the question papers will be uploaded in the 2nd or 3rd week of september, not beyond that. be patient.refer previous years general english, gk and optional papers(till the year 2011) for the time being.

    i am very happy to see that somebody is intending to take maths and physics as optional subjects for ifos. this was my first attempt for ifos exam. i completed my engineering in electronics and telecommunication last year in the month of june.
    this year my optional papers went off quite well. i feel that i will definitely qualify for personality test this time, but since my gk paper did go as well as i expected, i am slightly nervous. from this year, a minimum qualifying marks is required to be obtained in gk otherwise our other 5 papers won’t be evaluated. nobody was aware
    of this, until upsc ifos 2012 notification came out in the third week of april. i neglected gk from the very beginning and thought of completely it at the end( since i didn’t know that upsc will fix a minimum qualifying marks for gk from this year). when i came to know about it, i panicked a bit and started preparing for gk seriously but it was too late then. gk preparation should be intense and requires a lot of time to score high marks( generally above 160+) in this subject. though i had purchased all the relevant books for gk, i was neither able to refer all of them nor able to study them thoroughly due to lack of time. now, i understand this and regret my folly.

    nevertheless, i am preparing for next year ifos exam with special stress on gk this time. i have already completed my optional subjects preparation and just revising them again and again to gain clarity of concepts. since, next year’s exam are far away, i am slowly and gradually preparing for gk with all the relevant books which i have purchased making miniature notes out of them. i am no more in a hurry to finish the syllabus!!!.
    even if i qualify for ifos this year itself, still not a problem. extra knowledge gained is never useless and will only broaden my outlook towards life. i will definitely give the names of all the relevant books for physics,maths and gk (which i am referring for my preparation) with few tips in my next post. please give me some time. i will post it till tomorrow. anyhow, start for ur gk preparation from today itself( devote atleast 1 hour exclusively for gk everyday) and don’t waste even a single minute. 1 year will pass like a blink of an eye!!!. anyways,best of luck!!!

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  217. Nice to see you guys not getting disheartened! I myself got thru in my second attempt. And believe me, there is hell lot of difference in your preparation which comes about in one year. Keep working hard, with single-minded devotion and God willing, you all will get thru. It’s not a very tough examination!

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  218. thanks prabhith for the advice.
    i know UPSC wud upload the question papers after some time,but i wanted to look at it now in order to check the questions asked this year.i know UPSC alwas varies the trend,but jst wanna have a look up at the questions on unconventional topics like abbreviations,sports,places and person in news,mappointing.
    if anybody can take even the pic of the question paper and upload it somewhere and provide the links,then that wud be of great help.

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  219. @raj
    i understand that u are eager to know the pattern of gk paper this year. i can’t upload the paper as such but reproduce the entire paper here in short. there was a change in gk’s paper pattern this year which u will find when u read the paper

    1. map work(mark the locations) 1*10=10
    (a) major manganese producing state
    (b)kudankulam
    (c)cape ramos
    (d)wular lake
    (e)kirandul
    (f)kawal wildlife sanctuary
    (g)chittorgarh
    (h)bellary
    (i) munabao
    (j) kaimur range

    2. answer any two(200 words) 20*2=40
    (a) examine role of comptroller and auditor general of india
    (b) discuss scope of right to education act.
    (c) salient recommendations of 13th finance commission

    3. answer any six(150 words) 15*6=90
    (a) (1) three environmental effects of earth’s rotation (8)
    (2) describe how tilt of earth’s axis is responsible for seasons (7)

    (b)what are sand dunes? discuss its different types.
    (c) what are badlands and conditions required for their formation.
    (d) ‘solid wastes generation has become a serious urban environmental hazard’.
    substantiate
    (e) discuss scope of water-harvesting and highlight various water- harvesting
    methods.
    (f) what is biodiversity? how human activities in recent decades affected it?
    (g) what is El Nino? bring it’s significance in indian context.

    4. answer any three(150 words) 15*3=45
    (a) india’s cultural contacts with outside world during ancient times.
    (b) the medieval bhakti movement and its major strands.
    (c) highlights of buddhist art and architecture in india.
    (d) role of british imperial power under churchill in complicating india’s
    independence issue in the 1940s.

    5. critical notes on any three(100 words) 10*3=30
    (a) national programme for prevention and control of deafness(NPPCD).
    (b) activities of the water quality assessment authority of central government’s ministry of environment and forests.
    (c) composition and functions of central zoo authority.
    (d) concept of sustainable development as brought out at rio conference.

    6. short notes on 40 words each(any five) 5*5=25
    (a) distinction between ‘maharatna’, ‘navratna’ and ‘maniratna’ central public sector
    enterprises.
    (b) the national green tribunal.
    (c) ‘ujjawala’ scheme of ministry of women and child development.
    (d) formation of special tiger protection force.
    (e) principal gallantry awards in india for courageous acts performed during war and peacetime
    (f) intensification of forest management scheme(IFMS).

    7. critically comment in 100 words(any three) 10*3=30
    (a) ‘positive’ and ‘negative’ G-forces and their effects on human body.
    (b) the three planned stages of india’s nuclear power programme and the present status.
    (c) different biometric devices and their salient applications.
    (d) ‘open source’ software – its concept, illustrative examples, advantages and limitations.

    8. short notes in about 40 words(any two) 5*2=10
    (a) NASA’s kepler mission and its recent achievement.
    (b) environmental effects of deep-sea trawling.
    (c) types of radio-tracking of animals.

    9. (a) who are the following and why they were in news recently(answer in one or two sentences each). 2*5=10
    (1) tessy thomas
    (2) mitt romney
    (3) saadat hasan manto
    (4) salva kiir mayardit
    (5) cristina elisabet fernandez

    (b) with which game/sport are following people associated? 1*5=5
    (1) mamata pujari
    (2) ramakant achrekar
    (3) usain bolt
    (4) master chandgi ram
    (5) deepika kumari

    (c) abbreviations 1*5=5
    (1) UNFCCC
    (2) GSLV
    (3) TIFAC
    (4) FIPB
    (5) ICFRE

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  220. thanks a ton prabhit…really apprecite the trouble u took to post the questions…n yes my anxiety to see the questions has been put to rest,thnks to u.pls advice me how to go bout mathemtics…i hv seen the questions this yer nd saw a marked change in pattern where mixing of questions in sections which were earlier purely from a singe topic,nw even ODE was mixed with other questions…already the syllabus was so hard to comprehend,doesnot understand why UPSC is always after pure science optional,when all other options contins questions tht just require rote learning(which i really detest ).And people who see maths and science optionals as easy r realy dumb or they just don’t have any idea about wot they r talking about.coz i fee it’s the toughest optional which rewards only a select few who really give it their al in the subjects.I don’t intend to offend anyone but i didn’t like the comment where someone said tht all one has to do is to solve a maths question to get marks,if ur perspective is tht my friend then all u too have to do is to just write the answer to the question asked….wots the difference??

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  221. @raj
    it was not troublesome for me at all. my typing speed is quite fast!!!. dear friend, why do u worry about what others say? the person who commented this may not have done it deliberately. generally, biology allied students are unaware of the intricacies linked with physics and maths since they don’t have much knowledge about these subjects because of their background. similarly, we may also feel that biology allied subjects such as botany, agriculture, zoology etc are easy since we too don’t know much about these subjects. after all, all 14 offered subjects belong to the science stream only and not social sciences!!!. that’s why only science graduates are eligible to write ifos exam. why do u feel that maths and physics are the toughest subjects( to crack) and the rest all subjects are of moderate difficulty or are easy. this is a myth!!!.

    we may feel that our own subjects(in which we did our graduation or engineering) is more difficult as compared to other subjects only because we have a base in the subject, that is, we know the boundaries of the subject and the sub-topics linked to a particular topic. for example- take the example of amplifiers( mentioned in physics syllabus under the topic electronics). a biology allied student if reads this topic may feel that “oh!!!, this is so easy”. he may think that he has to study only – what is an amplifier and it’s basic working principle. but a student having a base in physics is well aware that the topic is much more wider. he knows that amplifiers are of many types such as differential, operational, feedback and power. these types of amplifiers also have many subtypes. so, many questions can be framed from this area of syllabus such as – block diagram of an amplifier, basic functioning of various types of amplifers, drawing circuit diagrams of them, derieving expressions for gain, associated numerical problems and many more. so, even though not mentioned explicitly in the syllabus, these topics are expected to be studied and can be asked in the exam. mere reading of the topic- “what is an amplifier” is useless and will yield no result.

    i agree that there is almost no overlap of these subjects( physics and maths) in areas of gk but overlapping helps to a certain extent only. don’t be under such a notion that certain subjects such as geology, forestry or agriculture has a short syllabus and are easy to understand and highly scoring compared to physics, maths or chemistry. syllabus of these so called easy subjects only provides a outline of the topics that are to be studied. there may be many sub-topics linked to the main topic that may not be mentioned in the syllabus. pure theoretical subjects(especially biology allied subjects) demands a lot of efforts regarding presentation to score good marks, otherwise these subjects too are awared very low marks.

    for example- a question comes like this- ” write a short note on transgenic plants”.
    this question can be asked under gk and students opting botany or agriculture as optional subjects also study it. if this question comes under gk, then u may explain what is a transgenic plant, it’s importance, few examples and 2 or 3 applications. this answer is more than enough in gk and a candidate can expect full marks. so, much elaboration of the answer is not required.
    but, if the same question is asked under agriculture or botany, then this answer is not at all enough. students have to go in much more detail explaining the dna recombinant technique( how genes of bacillus thuringienesis is incorporated in the plant), advantages, disadvantages, ethical concerns, current development of transgenic plants in india, agricultural applications, flowcharts, illustrative diagrams etc. students have to explain all these areas since they have no idea that which area the paper checker is expecting in more detail. so, there is always an ambiguity in minds of the aspirants of how much to write for a particular answer in these subjects, since answers can have many dimensions and it is difficult for the students to include all these parameters in their answers. if they miss a particular dimension which the examiner was expecting, then this may led to a deduction of marks. even after writing the entire answer beautifully( within the time limit), still full marks are never awarded. also, it is not possible for all the students to write each answer of the question paper in such an elaborated manner(due to time constraints). they may even be not knowing a few questions since some very tough questions are also asked every year. (to be continued….)

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  222. @all
    I hv few points:
    1. Mathematics has always been my ‘battle of waterloo’. Nevertheless, my statement about mathematics was a ‘generalised’ one…u may take it as a ‘statement made by a layman’. Well..if i am ‘dumb’ enough to say that, u r not clever enough to understand the statements of a lay person.
    2. Agriculture/forestry/any biological science subject is not short and easy. In fact, no subject can be called easy and short. Agriculture is like an ocean. You think of any subject existing under the sky, Agriculture is bound to be associated with it. So, we have agri.economics, agri.maths, agri.stats, agri.physics, agri.engineering, agri.soil science, agronomy, extension education, agri.botany, agri.zoology, entomology, plant pathology, plant breeding, plant genetics, agri.biotech, horticulture, floriculture, agri.microbiology, agronomy, agri. Home science,seed technology, agri business management….the list goes on…coz it is an applied science, unlike maths which is purely fundamental (as per my understanding)
    And mind it, each sub-subject mentioned above is equally huge. Completing the syllabus is a big task.
    To sum up, mathematics student is like ARJUNA and biological science student is like YUDHISHTHIRA.

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  223. @raj
    (continued from previous post)
    so, u can see that every subject has certain loopholes which nobody can ignore. the advantage of overlapping of these subjects with the gk syllabus is limited. i don’t say that maths-physics combo is easy but not too difficult either!!!.
    i feel physics is the best optional for engineering graduates of electrical/electronics branch. many topics such as lasers, fibre optics, electrostatics and magnetostatics, current electricity, electromagnetic theory,analog and digital electronics, certain areas of statistical physics which these engineers study during their b.tech are common in physics. many other interlinked topics are also present. this is the main reason why some people call physics as the younger brother of electrical/electronics engineering.

    the best thing about this subject is that engineers can easily tune to this subject. the syllabus only seems vast because it is well defined. for example- take the topic of lasers under modern optics. the syllabus states – ruby and helium neon lasers. this means that aspirants are expected to study these two types of lasers only even though they might have studied many other types of lasers during their engineering/graduation such as carbon-dioxide lasers, nd-yag lasers etc. if the syllabus only mentioned lasers without specifying which type of laser, then students would have to prepare for all types of lasers which would have been tedious. since, sub-topics are also mentioned along with the main topics, the physics syllabus seems vast, even though it is not!!!. so, it is rightly said -“appearances are often deceptive”.

    not only the syllabus, answers corresponding to the physics question papers are also well defined. confused!!!. let’s take an example – this year a question came in paper 1 of physics in section- A (under the topic optics) ” explain the fraunhofer diffraction at a single slit and obtain condition for minima. also, derieve expression for resolving power of a grating”. the answer to this question can be easily given by anybody who has studied the syllabus well. here, candidates need to draw a ray diagram explaining fraunhofer single slit diffraction and obtain the minima condition
    b sin(theta) = m(lambda). also, derivation of resolving power of a grating needs to be done as given in any standard book. this answer is very well explained in standard book of optics written by ajoy ghatak. if students too have would have written the answer in the same way, they can expect full marks. this shows, there is no ambiguity in the minds of the examiner or the examinee regarding the answer to this specific question. answers in physics (which includes numericals) are clear cut and direct unlike subjects such as botany or agriculture where too much elaboration of the answers is required, still full marks are never given. in physics, since answers are well defined, the examinee cannot write anything extra and examiner cannot expect anything more!!!. so, even if u attempt 150 marks paper in physics correctly( strictly attempting the answers as given in standard books), u can expect 140+ in this paper, where as u may attempt 200 marks in agriculture paper but may not even get 100 due to poor quality answers or due to poor presentation, lack of diagrams, lack of current events orientation etc.
    so u see, the slightly difficult subjects are more scoring than slightly easy subjects!!! (to be continued…….)

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  224. @raj
    (continued from previous post)
    same is the case with maths. more than 60% of maths syllabus is already covered in engineering, other remaining topics are of the master’s level( which is the case with most of the subjects). the syllabus of this subject too is well defined and a definite answer to all the questions can be given. i agree that this year intermixing of units have taken place in the first paper, but still u could have attemped the paper well. the syllabus of maths paper 1 and paper 2 are divided into two sections- section A and section B. questions from section A are never asked in section B. so, if u prepare for one section thoroughly, then u can attempt atleast 120 marks questions and intermixing of questions in that section will not bother u.

    it’s better to attempt three questions from section A of paper 1 since questions are more predictable here. linear algebra is the easiest unit of paper 1, so it should be thoroughly studied. calculus too is easy but this area is slightly lengthy. u should prepare this area well, since this area is linked to ordinary differential equations and vector calculus in the first paper and many other units in the second paper. so, thorough knowledge of calculus is a must. leaving this unit may be disastrous and can seriously affect ur preparation for the interlinked units. analytic geometry can be very well prepared from standard book of shanti narayan( s chand publications). since, calculus has to be compulsorily studied and linear algebra is easy, so it’s better to attempt 120 marks from section A. the rest 80 marks has to be attempted from section B – one compulsory and one more.

    section B consists of ordinary differential equations, vector calculus and statics, dynamics and hydrostatics. ODE is a simple area and can be well prepared from standard book of M.D Raisinghania. only study the topics strictly mentioned in the syllabus. each and every question is asked from this book only under ODE. vector calculus is again a simple area and concept of gradient, divergence and curl is used in physics as well under the topic electricity and magnetism and electromagnetic theory. So, if u prepare for two units thoroughly in section B, you can attempt at least 50+ marks questions. so, overall u can attempt 170+ marks questions in paper 1.

    statics,dynamics and hydrostatics can be well prepared from krishna series books written by vasistha. all questions are asked from this book only. but studying these books takes time. if u don’t have sufficient time, atleast solve all the questions asked from this area from previous 10 to 12 years ifos and civil services papers, since few questions are repeated every year. this year too few questions were repeated.
    so, even if u attempt 150 marks paper correctly, u can expect 140+ marks in paper 1 which is quite high and such marks are obtained by toppers. (to be continued…..)

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  225. @chandu i didn’t intend to be critical about any subject or get personal with comments that evoke arguement and after self retrospect i feel i shudn’t have used the word “dumb”,and i regret it.i was calling ur idea as dumb and not u in person.but lets not make such a beautiful forum to argue here and face the truth here that syllabus of every optional is huge in it’s own right and requires vigorous preparation(i never said that any other optional is easy,and i still maintain that the amount of books you have to refer for say maths and physics would surely exceed any other optional).i wish best of luck to each and every person who has given the exam this year.no hard feelings.

    @chandu do u use those expressions “battle of waterloo” kinda in ur essays..is it a good idea to use idioms and phrases in essays??jst wanna know

    @prabith thanks for the exhaustive analysis..looking forward to read ur (to be continued…)parts:).Can u tell me how much time u took to prepare maths optional and what shud be the strategy …shud it be like starting two topics at a time or just go at slow pace with one at a time..won’t one be hard pressed for time if one goes with one at a time strategy?…particularly when one requires to revise and revisit problems again and again.
    I wud also like to know about how u tamed the mysterical modern algebra..still sounds as some code language to me.also did u do the full solid geometry??or only for compulsory part?

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  226. @raj
    (continued from previous post)
    the syllabus of maths paper 2 is comparatively lengthier as compared to paper 1, but is as highly scoring as the first paper. section A deals with modern algebra, real analysis, complex analysis and linear programming. section B deals with PDE, numerical analysis and computer programming and mechanics and fluid dynamics. here, ur strategy should be to attempt 3 questions from section B and 2 questions from section A. this is because questions asked in section B are more predictable.
    so, let us discuss the preparation of section B first.

    partial differential equations is the easiest unit of section B. The book u referred for ODE is to be consulted for PDE as well, since M.D raisinghania covers both of them. the language of the book is awesome. Also study reduction of PDE into cannonical form, since this question has been asked in previous years (IFS -2011), even though not mentioned explicitly in the syllabus. equations of vibrating string, heat equation and laplace equation and their solutions may seem tough due to their length but praticing them reg